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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 4:06 pm
 


I know you are not comparing the murder of women, elderly and children to wearing white after labour day.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:14 pm
 


llama66 llama66:
I know you are not comparing the murder of women, elderly and children to wearing white after labour day.


Of course not, I am saying we can assume reasonable people all find reprehensible things reprehensible, regardless of the degree. That's why the standard test in law is based on the actions or opinions of a 'reasonable person'.

Silence does not mean agreement or disagreement with anything. Otherwise we'd have to enumerate all possible events and post our opinion about them every time we post.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:22 pm
 


Scape Scape:



Once again, Mike knocks it out of the park.

And just for reference, his calling out Israel for their actions and Hamas for their actions is coming from a Gay Jew.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:40 pm
 




As Beau said, he isn't giving out the maps or quantities or details like that, he is disclosing ways and means. His flagrant disregard of security protocol meant that his boasting to the Russians revealed HOW intel was gathered and then worked back from there to find out where the intel assets were and then fed them false intel so that an attack on this scale was undetected.


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Scape Scape:
As Beau said, he isn't giving out the maps or quantities or details like that, he is disclosing ways and means. His flagrant disregard of security protocol meant that his boasting to the Russians revealed HOW intel was gathered and then worked back from there to find out where the intel assets were and then fed them false intel so that an attack on this scale was undetected.


I don't doubt his disclosure was a major factor in his upcoming jail term, but the other part of Beau's vid hit me harder. I have a family member who was a "Jimmy', 231 SIGINT for Canadian Forces for a couple decades. He could never tell me what he did, but often told me unclassified things like vulnerabilities. I have always written that if I were planning anything bigger than my next shit, I would never record it online. Israeli intelligence should have noticed the lack of traffic, or lack of actionable intel as well. There must have been one or the other when Hamas was planning this, and it should have been noticed. That is a giant failure.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:23 pm
 


Pride comes before a fall.

Netanyahu and his right wing coalition abhor anything that conflicts with their predetermined objectives and narrative. It's WMD in Iraq all over again under Bush Jr. The intel gatherers have been told in no uncertain terms to find a reason for war and we will take it from there. While they are doing that they ignored everything else to their own ruin because they thought they were untouchable.


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EU warns Elon Musk of ‘penalties’ for disinformation circulating on X amid Israel-Hamas war


And I bet it's fun trying to find an article on X with no headlines, and not have your results find porn.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:17 pm
 


The Atlantic: The Israeli Military Wasn’t Ready for This

Denys is reporting that the Israeli General in charge of the ground op is saying no war crimes committed by Israeli troops will be pursued.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 9:15 pm
 


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Scape Scape:
As Beau said, he isn't giving out the maps or quantities or details like that, he is disclosing ways and means. His flagrant disregard of security protocol meant that his boasting to the Russians revealed HOW intel was gathered and then worked back from there to find out where the intel assets were and then fed them false intel so that an attack on this scale was undetected.


I don't doubt his disclosure was a major factor in his upcoming jail term, but the other part of Beau's vid hit me harder. I have a family member who was a "Jimmy', 231 SIGINT for Canadian Forces for a couple decades. He could never tell me what he did, but often told me unclassified things like vulnerabilities. I have always written that if I were planning anything bigger than my next shit, I would never record it online. Israeli intelligence should have noticed the lack of traffic, or lack of actionable intel as well. There must have been one or the other when Hamas was planning this, and it should have been noticed. That is a giant failure.


Shades of 1973. Then Israelis convinced themselves that because they had gotten so soundly beaten, their enemies wouldn't dare try it again.

Armin Rosen:
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One big takeaway from the gut-wrenching events of the past few days: Everyone got Hamas wrong. Israeli strategic planners got it wrong, incl many hard-liners. America got them wrong. Experts got them wrong. *I* got them wrong...

The widely-held conventional wisdom in both Washington and Jerusalem was that Hamas was strongly ideological but inevitably pragmatic, and cared about retaining its infrastructure and domain in Gaza more than it cared about killing Jews

The Israeli security establishment viewed Hamas rockets as a tactical threat, far more mild than the strategic-level threat looming in the north. And Hamas was an address, a phone number they could call. The IDF had to coordinate w/Hamas on a daily basis...

In Washington, Hamas was viewed as a not-unreasonable extension of a movement that respectable opinion viewed as inherently democratizing and even quasi-liberal: The Muslim Brotherhood. That view was held sincerely, out of actual principle.

But, it was also lubricated by one of Hamas's state allies, Qatar, who in addition to cultivating deep ties at blue-chip elite opinion mills like Brookings and the Washington Post also happens to be a "close US ally" and the site of a major US military base

People like me, meanwhile, went to the Gaza Strip, spent a couple days looking around, interviewed people, and decided, eh, these guys are awful, but maybe they're not psychopaths. The AP apparently had an office in a bldg that contianed a Hamas command and control post!...
NGOs employed Hamas members, who were used to ciphon off aid and generally corrupt the international infrastructure in the Strip. This was all undertaken based on the delusion these people weren't Al Qaeda or ISIS but some more ambiguous category of less-bad bad guy
Everyone was wrong. *Everyone.*

It might be the single worse misassessment in the entire history of this conflict. The wrongness is vast enough that people must reckon with it—understand what it means, reflect on what it says about reality.

A related issue, btw, is that as most ppl who have visited or worked on the Gaza border know, the "blockade" was largely fake. Yes there is a naval cordon, but hundreds of trucks were allowed in each day—w/the Israeli understanding Hamas would get a cut of whatever got in!

The Strip got its electricty from Israel, meaning Hamas could stockpile generators, fuel etc for war. In recent months, Gazans who got foreign visas were allowed to use the airport in Eilat. All these policies were based on the idea this slaughter wouldn't or couldn't happen

But it did happen. The worst slaughter in Israel's history wasn't done by the Egyptian army or the Arab Legion or Hezbollah or ISIS or whatever. It was done by a group that 30 years of strategic thinkers across the entire western bloc had more or less kashered


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 9:39 pm
 


Air Canada probably prevents another 9/11 from happening by grounding Jew-hating pro-Palestinian pilot

Social media of this wanting-to-be-a mass murderer is full of the usual kill-all-Jews typical of this type of person. But diversity in pilot hiring is our strength! :roll:


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:01 am
 


I think as Israel's fury dissipates on the broken body of the Gaza strip, they are going to come to the realization that, despite Gaza being rubble, there will still be some 2 million stateless people there. The regime in Iran will then once again provide aid and weapons to whatever replaces Hamas.

Iran must be stopped from doing this. My guess is you'll see Israel focus more on Iran and seeking (and getting) US support.

The Iran regime must fall.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:26 am
 


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2 million people are living in the west bank, are all of them Hamas by default now?

Of course not! Exactly Why I suggest they need leaders that will get them something they want - which is the same thing everyone everywhere wants. They can;t get it by war. And they sure as hell can't 'win' anything with barbarism like this latest attack. It was aimed solely at civilians. Killed more babies than soldiers.
Decades of poking the bear and then running into the cave to kill its cubs is only going to get you killed.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:45 am
 




Excellent primer. I remember Yasser Arafat and the PLO and they made peace with Israeli and for that they got exiled to the west bank.


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