[BartSimpson]

Lemmy Lemmy:

It's funny to me that conservatives, who constantly rail against government and regulation, don't have any problem with creating government bureaucracy to regulate women and their vaginas.

It might surprise you to know that I'm pro-choice. I support the right of women to choose to use birth control pills, diaphragms, IUDs, condoms, and whatever else that modern technology avails for them to prevent pregnancy. Or abstinence also works well given that millions of married women use it all the time.

I also support the right of individuals to consent to being aborted. In your case, I'd even encourage it.

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Lemmy Lemmy:

It's funny to me that conservatives, who constantly rail against government and regulation, don't have any problem with creating government bureaucracy to regulate women and their vaginas.

It might surprise you to know that I'm pro-choice. I support the right of women to choose to use birth control pills, diaphragms, IUDs, condoms, and whatever else that modern technology avails for them to prevent pregnancy.

You're a rare social conservative then if that's what you believe because the rest of your fellow travellers apparently want all birth control banned entirely. Something to do with that every-sperm-is-sacred bullshit the Vatican and the fundies alike have been pushing for decades.

[Brenda]

And here in lies the problem:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I support the right of women to choose to use birth control pills, diaphragms, IUDs, condoms, and whatever else that modern technology avails for them to prevent pregnancy.

ONLY women. Because THEY are the only ones with the "problem" when they don't.

Thanks for the clarification.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

And here in lies the problem:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I support the right of women to choose to use birth control pills, diaphragms, IUDs, condoms, and whatever else that modern technology avails for them to prevent pregnancy.

ONLY women. Because THEY are the only ones with the "problem" when they don't.

Thanks for the clarification.

When men get pregnant I'll include them in a discussion about their having an abortion.

But thanks for stating the obvious. Most helpful of you.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

It might surprise you to know that I'm pro-choice. I support the right of women to choose to use birth control pills, diaphragms, IUDs, condoms, and whatever else that modern technology avails for them to prevent pregnancy.

You're a rare social conservative then if that's what you believe because the rest of your fellow travellers apparently want all birth control banned entirely. Something to do with that every-sperm-is-sacred bullshit the Vatican and the fundies alike have been pushing for decades.

I'm not a catholic so none of that is an issue to me.

[Brenda]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Brenda Brenda:

And here in lies the problem:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I support the right of women to choose to use birth control pills, diaphragms, IUDs, condoms, and whatever else that modern technology avails for them to prevent pregnancy.

ONLY women. Because THEY are the only ones with the "problem" when they don't.

Thanks for the clarification.

When men get pregnant I'll include them in a discussion about their having an abortion.

I thought you were talking preventing pregnancies?
It takes two to get one pregnant, you know.

Btw, as long as men do not get pregnant, maybe you (as a man) should not try to decide what women do with their bodies.

[2Cdo]

Brenda Brenda:

ONLY women. Because THEY are the only ones with the "problem" when they don't.

Thanks for the clarification.

A little devils advocate for you,

Women are the only ones who can determine if they abort or not, even if the father wants the child and will raise him/her on his own if neccasary.

That being said, they can assume the responsibility for their 'condition'.

[Thanos]

Hardcore Protestants are just as dogmatic on this as the Catholic ones have been. Most, if not all, of the ones in prison for shooting abortion doctors are evangelicals or fundies who certainly don't have much love for Catholics at any given time.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

I thought you were talking preventing pregnancies?
It takes two to get one pregnant, you know.

Btw, as long as men do not get pregnant, maybe you (as a man) should not try to decide what women do with their bodies.

If it makes you feel any better I've often struggled with the concept of asking liberals not to abort their children. Seems to me the fewer liberals get born the better, right?

[Curtman]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Brenda Brenda:

ONLY women. Because THEY are the only ones with the "problem" when they don't.

Thanks for the clarification.

A little devils advocate for you,

Women are the only ones who can determine if they abort or not, even if the father wants the child and will raise him/her on his own if neccasary.

That being said, they can assume the responsibility for their 'condition'.

Example:

Condom piercer loses sexual assault appeal

$1:

Craig Jaret Hutchinson poked holes in girlfriend's condoms to save relationship
...
It was only after the positive pregnancy test that Hutchinson admitted to the sabotage. Things did not turn out as he'd hoped — his Halifax-area girlfriend broke off the relationship, called police and had an abortion.

She later suffered an infection of her uterus that was treated with antibiotics.

Hutchinson, of Clyde River, was initially charged with aggravated sexual assault but that charge was dismissed at his first trial. He was eventually retried and convicted of sexual assault.

Hutchinson filed an appeal, arguing the Nova Scotia Supreme Court's sentence was harsh and excessive and that the woman voluntarily consented to having sex with him.

The case went before the Nova Scotia Court of Appeal and hinged on the issue of consent. The court ruled the sentence was not unfit and the trial judge was correct to conclude Hutchinson's girlfriend had consented to sex, but not unprotected sex.

[Unsound]

andyt andyt:

Unsound Unsound:

Calling them names and mocking thier religion beause it's not your point of view is kinda rude.

That's what we do here on CKA on pretty well any issue. You cant' go after Curt for doing it here. I get mocked because I believe in reducing poverty and income inequality - how rude is that. And so on.

Absolutely, but I think I'm fairly consistent in trying to avoid that kind of thing and intend to continue to be so. As well, I feel a need to point out that there's a little hypocrisy in saying that in the same post that he complains about other people being "hurtful" to him.

andyt andyt:

Of course this is an attempt to reopen the abortion debate, more than likely motivated by religious belief, but as you say, the belief is irrelevant. I at least have sympathy for anti-abortion religious beliefs vs say beliefs on gays or rape that we've heard.

yep

andyt andyt:

It would be nice if we could have a rational discussion about this topic, it would be nice, IMO, if we could put some reasonable limits on abortions the way every other country does. It would also be nice to we could have rational discussions about changing our health care system, equalization, status of natives and a whole other bunch of concerns. But the extremists in all those debates, on both sides, don't allow that, so we're often better off letting sleeping dogs lie. Despite Bart's scaremongering, I'm quite reassured that the CMA prevents doctors from performing abortions that are way over the top. I don't know what their guidelines are, but believe they are quite conservative. Better that than people with an agenda that might lead us into the craziness that comes out of the US on the subject.

Anyway, Harper is smart enough not to touch this, so it's a tempest in a teapot.

yep

imaginary +5

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

Hardcore Protestants

You and Derby sure do know a lot of these people.

[Lemmy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I also support the right of individuals to consent to being aborted. In your case, I'd even encourage it.

Wow, that's unfriendly. As ignorant as I consider religious fundamentalist, climate-change denying, gun-nut Birthers to be, I'd never claim a superior right to life. Offside, dude, offside.

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Brenda Brenda:

I thought you were talking preventing pregnancies?
It takes two to get one pregnant, you know.

Btw, as long as men do not get pregnant, maybe you (as a man) should not try to decide what women do with their bodies.

If it makes you feel any better I've often struggled with the concept of asking liberals not to abort their children. Seems to me the fewer liberals get born the better, right?

Always a class act, Bart.

On par with encouraging gun owners to go out in a blaze of glory because... well they went out.

[Gunnair]

Lemmy Lemmy:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I also support the right of individuals to consent to being aborted. In your case, I'd even encourage it.

Wow, that's unfriendly. As ignorant as I consider religious fundamentalist, climate-change denying, gun-nut Birthers to be, I'd never claim a superior right to life. Offside, dude, offside.

Bart has moved to the off side here.

I'd rather read Curt's posts these days. They don't encourage as much death and mayhem.