[Guy_Fawkes]

Yup, they were also the ones who wanted to preserve the dogma that humans were lesser apes.

[Biblesmasher]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

Again let me hold up the Theory of Relativity, not a guess. It might not explain everything but its the best explanation we have at the moment. Science is fluid and is meant to be refined, if there was a better explanation of the diversity of life and the origin of species I would argue that, but there isnt.

And again parts of that Theory have been proven as far as we can tell for now, and parts of it still aren't proven. This statement you made right here:
"It might not explain everything but its the best explanation we have at the moment." totally contradicts your argument. The "best explanation we have at the moment" hardly constitutes scientific fact.

A theory, in the scientific sense of the word, is an analytic structure designed to explain a set of empirical observations. A scientific theory does two things:

1) it identifies this set of distinct observations as a class of phenomena, and 2) makes assertions about the underlying reality that brings about or affects this class.

Now let's look at assertions as proof.

Proof by assertion is a logical fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction. Sometimes this may be repeated until challenges dry up, at which point it is asserted as fact due to its not being contradicted. In other cases its repetition may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority or appeal to belief fallacies.

Beautiful words sure you didn't just copy and paste those from somewhere? Cmon admit it...

Thats all fantastic but the bottom line is evolution is as much scientific theory and is as robust as germ theory. You have some doubts that germs cause disease?

[Biblesmasher]

Brenda Brenda:

(I am a scientist, see? )

Science is GAY!

[Brenda]

Biblesmasher Biblesmasher:

Brenda Brenda:

(I am a scientist, see? )

Science is GAY!

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Sorry Guy but pertaining to this thread, there is no scientific justification for their claims. As per THIS particular thread, the claim is we evolved from apes of some sort.
The mooks in the article, or its author, are part of the same clique of mooks that somehow believe evolution has to do with wholesale and immediate deviation from the parent genus.
TRUE evolution is about adaptation and variation. In that respects, then yes, evolution is real. The artic hare has adapted itself to change fur colour depending on the season BUT it is still within the same genus as other rabbits.

And using DNA as a determining factor to prove we mutated into a completely different genus is preposterous. Hell we have a lot of DNA in common with the common house plant.
There is a very interesting and long article that makes a good case against evolution using the science of mathematics. Unfortunately, you won't take it seriously because it was written by a minister...in 1929. But math is math, and math can be used to create models in any scientific discipline there is, including biology. And after all, evolution is a from of biological study.

[Guy_Fawkes]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Sorry Guy but pertaining to this thread, there is no scientific justification for their claims. As per THIS particular thread, the claim is we evolved from apes of some sort.
The mooks in the article, or its author, are part of the same clique of mooks that somehow believe evolution has to do with wholesale and immediate deviation from the parent genus.
TRUE evolution is about adaptation and variation. In that respects, then yes, evolution is real. The artic hare has adapted itself to change fur colour depending on the season BUT it is still within the same genus as other rabbits.

And using DNA as a determining factor to prove we mutated into a completely different genus is preposterous. Hell we have a lot of DNA in common with the common house plant.
There is a very interesting and long article that makes a good case against evolution using the science of mathematics. Unfortunately, you won't take it seriously because it was written by a minister...in 1929. But math is math, and math can be used to create models in any scientific discipline there is, including biology. And after all, evolution is a from of biological study.

So you believe in micro evolution and not macro?
Evolution explains the reason we have some similar DNA to plants is because we come from the same ancestor. You didnt watch DonExodus2's video series did you. I would like to see real evidence from anyone. I have a feeling that if it is as persuasive as you say it would have changed or debunked evolution.

[Zipperfish]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

Again let me hold up the Theory of Relativity, not a guess. It might not explain everything but its the best explanation we have at the moment. Science is fluid and is meant to be refined, if there was a better explanation of the diversity of life and the origin of species I would argue that, but there isnt.

And again parts of that Theory have been proven as far as we can tell for now, and parts of it still aren't proven. This statement you made right here:
"It might not explain everything but its the best explanation we have at the moment." totally contradicts your argument. The "best explanation we have at the moment" hardly constitutes scientific fact.

A theory, in the scientific sense of the word, is an analytic structure designed to explain a set of empirical observations. A scientific theory does two things:

1) it identifies this set of distinct observations as a class of phenomena, and 2) makes assertions about the underlying reality that brings about or affects this class.

Now let's look at assertions as proof.

Proof by assertion is a logical fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction. Sometimes this may be repeated until challenges dry up, at which point it is asserted as fact due to its not being contradicted. In other cases its repetition may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority or appeal to belief fallacies.

Nice wiki cut and paste.

[Guy_Fawkes]

PublicAnimalNo9 how old is the earth?

[Zipperfish]

PublicAnimal PublicAnimal:

TRUE evolution is about adaptation and variation. In that respects, then yes, evolution is real. The artic hare has adapted itself to change fur colour depending on the season BUT it is still within the same genus as other rabbits.

Can you please prove your preposterous claim, because I maintain that it is not natural variation that changes the colour of the arctic hare, but God.

[Guy_Fawkes]

I say its the FSM, using his noodly appendage.

[Thanos]

Orangutans? I guess that explains the prescence of all the goddamn ginger kids.

[Lemmy]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

I like how evolution is being taught in schools as fact when in FACT, it is still a THEORY. Even the "educated" masses that believe in evolution conveniently forget it's a theory still and thusly UNPROVEN.

No, evolution is a FACT. It happens. It's observable. Read Carl Sagan's "Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors".

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

PublicAnimalNo9 how old is the earth?

Well it's a hell of a lot more than the 10,000 years old the whackos say it is.
And in that vein, the age of this planet has nothing to do with any of this.
Here's why:

http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

There's a lot of reading there if you wish to see the REAL science behind debunking evolution. There are even quotes from Darwin himself about how fragile his theory really was.
And you're safe, it's not going to throw God in your face. It's nothing but science.

[Zipperfish]

Ooooh. "real" science.

[Guy_Fawkes]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

PublicAnimalNo9 how old is the earth?

Well it's a hell of a lot more than the 10,000 years old the whackos say it is.
And in that vein, the age of this planet has nothing to do with any of this.
Here's why:

http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

There's a lot of reading there if you wish to see the REAL science behind debunking evolution. There are even quotes from Darwin himself about how fragile his theory really was.
And you're safe, it's not going to throw God in your face. It's nothing but science.

There are a lot of assumptions and misconceptions, no real science there. In science its all nice to argue something is false, but that is only part of the process. You have to come up with a better theory to explain why the previous theory was wrong. Your web site doesnt do that, it says that Darwin is wrong because it cant be observed, so nothing changes dramaticly. They think that if we went back in time 1 billion years humans would be chilling with dinosaurs.

Again WATCH DonExodus2's videos. He clears most of these creationist misconception.