[Thanos]

Climate change is pretty much a done deal. In summary:

1) It's not plausible to suggest that all the thousands of scientists that are studying it and have reached a conclusion are lying about it. Or that they're all in the pocket of George Soros. To even suggest these kind of things is the mark of an idiot or an ideologue.
2) Too many of the deniers have been revealed to be in the pay of the oil & coal companies, or are outright cranks similar to the chemtrail/anti-vaccination/Jade Helm 15 ilk. They shouldn't be listened to any more by anyone who still has a few brain cells to rub together.
3) The only questions remaining are (a) what to do about it. Fossil fuel bans? Geo-engineering? Nothing at all? And (b) what sort of economic/social/lifestyle price is the human race overall willing to pay to start moving the overall climate to stability & equilibrium. Again, full fossil fuel bans? Massive worldwide population reduction to ensure the consumption of less resources? Nothing, and proceed full force as usual with no concern for any consequences at all?

Personally IMO there are far more pressing issues than climate change. The destruction of the ocean habitats, for one, and another stark reality that in a hundred years about 75% of the wild land animals on the planet are going to be altogether extinct from deforestation, conversion of formerly wild land into farms and ranches, over-hunting, poaching, runaway pollution, and the unchecked growth of urban areas. These are the sort of things that should be addressed with the same vigour climate change engenders. In another century the primary legacy of humanity, aside from our inherent inhumanity to each other, is going to be the extermination of most of the other lifeforms that we share this planet with. Maybe it can't be stopped because we're simply collectively too awful to ever stop behaving this way, but it would be nice if our overall history wasn't just a litany from beginning to end of all the rotten things we've done to this world out of sheer greed and stupidity.

[Zipperfish]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

You both show how rabid and ridiculous those of your ilk are.

I've never denied climate change. I never get involved in your epic circle-jerk debates where you all repeat your position over and over again and don't seem to realise that nobody will change their position.

The hint of someone not going along with the agenda, word for word, results in immediate condemnation, insults and just general stupidity.

Even when the person tells you they support your views, just not the radical views of some, they still get shit thrown at them.

You're not fooling anyone, OTL. Except maybe yourself.

[ShepherdsDog]

^^^(Thanos)
as you say.....deforestation, air and water pollution are more pressing concerns to me than some places that were already too hot for me becoming 2° warmer over the next century and a half.

[Delwin]

It's not just the celebrities that get a pass on water consumption, micro-chip production uses an incredible amount of pure water:

California drought: Water use in Silicon Valley 'insane'

$1:

A single data centre can consume up to 20,000 litres of water per hour - "as much water as a small city", according to Peter Hopton, founder of liquid-cooling firm Iceotope.

http://www.edie.net/news/4/California-d ... --insane-/

[DrCaleb]

Thanos Thanos:

Personally IMO there are far more pressing issues than climate change. The destruction of the ocean habitats, for one, and another stark reality that in a hundred years about 75% of the wild land animals on the planet are going to be altogether extinct from deforestation, conversion of formerly wild land into farms and ranches, over-hunting, poaching, runaway pollution, and the unchecked growth of urban areas. These are the sort of things that should be addressed with the same vigour climate change engenders. In another century the primary legacy of humanity, aside from our inherent inhumanity to each other, is going to be the extermination of most of the other lifeforms that we share this planet with. Maybe it can't be stopped because we're simply collectively too awful to ever stop behaving this way, but it would be nice if our overall history wasn't just a litany from beginning to end of all the rotten things we've done to this world out of sheer greed and stupidity.

[OnTheIce]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

You're not fooling anyone, OTL. Except maybe yourself.

[Zipperfish]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

You're not fooling anyone, OTL. Except maybe yourself.

You made a dumb comment, you got called on it. Move on. No body's buying the whole "OTI: Non-Partisan Man of Reason" routine. Except you.

[N_Fiddledog]

In any case...





Study: ‘worst drought of this century barely makes the top 10 ‘

Here's the real problem though.



That 30 year dry period shown above 1910 to 1940 occurred when the population was 5 to 10 million. 2014 census said it's almost 40 million now.

That's the only reason this drought is more to worry about than the previous.

[Zipperfish]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

In any case...

...tree rings...

That's the only reason this drought is more to worry about than the previous.

Ah deniers, what are you goin to do with them? Evidence from tree rings? You mean Michael mann tree rings. You mean those tree rings that can't be relied upon for anything, according to the deniers.

[OnTheIce]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It's nothing to do with the 'mantra'. You were using a falsehood as the basis for your argument. Whichever side of an argument, and whichever argument it is; I'm going to call out someone doing that!

Your arrogance amazes me.

You've read every single article there is on the California drought? I read a couple articles, blogs and other sources and while few spoke of the history of California, there were those that went off on the current situation without any mention of the history which provides some proper context for the discussion.

You know as well as I do that there are some "nutter" climate change people who gloss over facts and history to sensationalize their point.

[Zipperfish]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It's nothing to do with the 'mantra'. You were using a falsehood as the basis for your argument. Whichever side of an argument, and whichever argument it is; I'm going to call out someone doing that!

Your arrogance amazes me.

You've read every single article there is on the California drought? I read a couple articles, blogs and other sources and while few spoke of the history of California, there were those that went off on the current situation without any mention of the history which provides some proper context for the discussion.

You know as well as I do that there are some "nutter" climate change people who gloss over facts and history to sensationalize their point.

Nice concession speech. Come in, make pronouncement about climate change "nutters" then backtrack like crazy when called on it.

If you indeed believed in global warming, then you wouldn't have made such a ridiculous statement to start with. Clearly warmer weather is going to exacerbate drought conditions.

[OnTheIce]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Nice concession speech. Come in, make pronouncement about climate change "nutters" then backtrack like crazy when called on it.

If you indeed believed in global warming, then you wouldn't have made such a ridiculous statement to start with. Clearly warmer weather is going to exacberate drought conditions.

Never backtracked one bit. You're frothing again.

My comment wasn't anything close to ridiculous. Many articles that talk about the current situation and appear to have forgotten to include context and some history about the State.

[DrCaleb]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It's nothing to do with the 'mantra'. You were using a falsehood as the basis for your argument. Whichever side of an argument, and whichever argument it is; I'm going to call out someone doing that!

Your arrogance amazes me.

You've read every single article there is on the California drought?

. . . something I did not say . . .

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

I read a couple articles, blogs and other sources and while few spoke of the history of California, there were those that went off on the current situation without any mention of the history which provides some proper context for the discussion.

Good for you! I have not read those. The ones I read had a proper historical footnotes and backstory in them.

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

You know as well as I do that there are some "nutter" climate change people who gloss over facts and history to sensationalize their point.

You mean, like you just did? Seriously man, whether or not you believe in Climate Change or not, you sure do use their tactics often. I'm 'arrogant' because of something you made up?! Well played!

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Ah deniers, what are you goin to do with them? Evidence from tree rings? You mean Michael mann tree rings. You mean those tree rings that can't be relied upon for anything, according to the deniers.

The tree ring graph above concerned drought not temperature. Mann's tree rings claimed to be an accurate proxy record for temperature not drought. There were problems with that. As information leaked out it was later discovered there were even more problems. Much of the information came from a single tree and one graph was upside down. It was a complete clown show.

In any case, the drought graph above is paleo. The graph that really matters is the contemporary one above it. I think you even know that.

[OnTheIce]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

. . . something I did not say . . .

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I read quite a bit on the subject, and I've never seen an article like that.

Being the foremost expert, if you didn't read it, it couldn't have taken place, right? See: Arrogance.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Good for you! I have not read those. The ones I read had a proper historical footnotes and backstory in them.

Maybe you haven't read as much as you'd like us to believe.

Froth on.