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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:48 am
 


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The purpose of hauling down these statues and monuments is to invalidate the people who are represented by them.

Once those people are invalidated then the work they did will be invalidated.

Such as the creation of the US Declaration of Independence and our Constitution.

In Canada they'll come after the Charter.


What kind of person today wants to be represented, a hundred and fifty two years after the fact, by a statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest, founder of the Ku Klux Klan? :?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:07 pm
 


And who wants to be represented by John MacDonald who caused far more deaths than did NBF?


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Unless you have information that John A. was present on the scene for something like the Fort Pillow massacre then the two men aren't even remotely comparable.


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Unless you have information that John A. was present on the scene for something like the Fort Pillow massacre then the two men aren't even remotely comparable.


If I'm a leftist I don't need evidence. All I need is a shrill voice and a bunch of mindless demands.


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Don't make objects of worship out of those with feet of clay and the blood of the unjustly slain on their hands and none of us would have these problems over metal and stone likenesses of the long dead.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:55 pm
 


Thanos Thanos:
Don't make objects of worship out of those with feet of clay and the blood of the unjustly slain on their hands and none of us would have these problems over metal and stone likenesses of the long dead.


“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”

- George Orwell


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As I said before the way the South dominates the American political system, and the overall national culture with that rancid background of racial nastiness everywhere now, and skews American religion with all of the right-leaning Southern evangelicals and fundamentalists out-influencing moderate Christianity, an outside observer who has no knowledge at all of the actual history should be forgiven for thinking that the Confederacy actually won the Civil War. :|

Anyway, I'm much nastier than you'll ever be on this subject. If I had been there and in charge, post-Lincoln, I would have made them howl in agony worse than Sherman did. Post war this is what I would have done to the South to put a stop to all this insanity the Lost Cause mythologizing and federal tolerance of Jim Crow has led to:

1) ethnic separation generally leads to stability and some kind of peace, therefore I would have kicked all the whites out of Mississippi, Alabama, northern Florida, and the bottom hundred miles of south Georgia and handed all the land over to the blacks; in addition all blacks living in the other Southern states would be encouraged to relocate to the new all-black domain for their own safety from reprisals by Confederate hold-outs; these states would be given a minimum of ten representatives and three senators each to keep them from being outnumbered and isolated in Congress; the rest of the South would be occupied and run by military governors, with a minimum of 150,000 federal troops garrisoning each Southern state, for a minimum of twenty five years and not be allowed to participate in Congress until 1900
2) the plantation system would have been broken forever, with the land being seized by the federal government and auctioned off in parcels no larger than fifty acres; small farms would be encouraged, with the feds overseeing all sales and exchanges in order to ensure the old Southern nobility didn't do an end-run using straw buyers and fake companies to re-establish their monopoly and land empires
3) participation and membership in the KKK or any other similar terrorist group would be grounds for summary execution under military occupational law
4) the police forces of all major Southern cities would be comprised of federal troops only; the city councils and mayor's positions would be abolished until 1900 and civilian administration duties would be performed by appointees of the military governors
5) the Southern state legal and prison systems, which even today rival third-world countries for their backwardness, horrific nature, and notorious use as a pool for slave labour, would be abolished permanently and taken over entirely by the federal government and staffed entirely by personnel from Union states only
6) the Southern states and counties would be permanently banned from organizing and running their own election systems; all election activities would be permanently taken over as a duty of the federal government

To accomplish all this the Constitution would be re-negotiated and re-written as required. Southern representatives will not be allowed to participate in either the debates or the voting of the revision process.

What we did with Germany and Japan to ensure the Nazi and imperial plague was permanently burnt away should have been done to the Confederate South. If it had been then this evil rotten old ghost of Southern politics and social status wouldn't still be wandering across the United States today, spreading it's infection of bitterness and hate from one end of the country to the other. The Confederates were NOT the good guys and it's a damn shame that even a single person today might think that they ever were.

PS: I am NOT a liberal but I clearly am a monster of an entirely different sort. :twisted:


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:47 pm
 


This idea is just too stoopid for words!....If they allow things like this to happen pretty soon we will have absolutely no statues or memorials, and probably no historic sites as everyone throughout history has some ghosts in their closets or something that some people will disagree with.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:09 pm
 


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This idea is just too stoopid for words!....If they allow things like this to happen pretty soon we will have absolutely no statues or memorials, and probably no historic sites as everyone throughout history has some ghosts in their closets or something that some people will disagree with.


That's precisely what these people want. They want an Orwellian "history" that can be rewritten and reshaped to suit political whims.

The notion of truth is inherently offensive to totalitarians because truth is never on the side of socialists, communists, authoritarians, or totalitarians.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:19 pm
 


"Draconian", not totalitarian, because some things are so innately awful they have to be harshly smashed to pieces in order for peace, progress, and prosperity to continue.


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Thanos Thanos:
As I said before the way the South dominates the American political system, and the overall national culture with that rancid background of racial nastiness everywhere now, and skews American religion with all of the right-leaning Southern evangelicals and fundamentalists out-influencing moderate Christianity, an outside observer who has no knowledge at all of the actual history should be forgiven for thinking that the Confederacy actually won the Civil War. :|


You didn't grow up in Massachusetts in the mid-1970's. If you had then you'd know that the most virulent racists were not the Klan, but the hardcore Irish Democrats.

Thanos Thanos:
Anyway, I'm much nastier than you'll ever be on this subject.


No, you're not. At least not from what I know of you.

That's probably a compliment.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:26 pm
 


Thanos Thanos:
"Draconian", not totalitarian, because some things are so innately awful they have to be harshly smashed to pieces in order for peace, progress, and prosperity to continue.


Which is why I admire people like General Sherman, General Patton, General Julio Argentino Roca, and General Augusto Pinochet.


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Harsh things some times have to happen, which is why I'm a lot more sympathetic now to the ideas of Robespierre in dealing with out-of-control rich people who look at almost everyone else as playthings for them to torment whenever they feel like it.


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Thanos Thanos:
Harsh things some times have to happen, which is why I'm a lot more sympathetic now to the ideas of Robespierre in dealing with out-of-control rich people who look at almost everyone else as playthings for them to torment whenever they feel like it.


The difference is that Robespierre was dealing with an entrenched aristocracy. Our rich people today are typically the products of social mobility and they moved up on their own to being wealthy. Steve Jobs was filthy rich and he never had to force anyone to buy his products. So don't hate him just because he has more money than you do.

And if you want to kill rich people then keep in mind that there's more rich Democrats and liberals than there are Republicans and conservatives. :idea:

Oh, and those hated Tea Bircher types of yours are usually found in the below-average income portions of the population.


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Who ever said that the nouveau riche can't be as big a pack of greedy pigs as the old style aristocrats were? I'll hate anyone who harms me and mine, and in 2008 and then again in 2014 the worst harm ever done to me in my life was deliberately done by the rich people who caused the stock market collapse and then destroyed the oil price. I do not forget and I will never forgive. If I had the power I'd fucking kill every single one of them I could get my hands on. Maybe if they learn to fear again, the way Robespierre once taught them to, they'll be less likely to get up to the certain amusements they enjoy so much.

As for the American hill-folk who keep voting GOP, well, good luck with that because they'll need it. Your financial sector neo-aristocracy, having stripped all the flesh from the bones, will someday come back to the sites of their worst atrocities to take the bones as well.


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