[BartSimpson]

I see you folks are experiencing the same shit from the left that we're dealing with.

First it'll be that horrid racist John A. Macdonald and then it'll be that imperialist murderer Queen Victoria who will have to be removed from the public square.

Then it'll be the military monuments and memorials because, oh my, they killed people and violence is scary for the easily triggered leftists (who will riot, burn, pillage, loot, assault, and kill if you don't stop scaring them).

[martin14]

It's getting worldwide stupid... Cook and Nelson.


Aboriginals want Captain Cook statue which said he 'discovered Australia' REMOVED following violent protests in the US and calls to tear down Nelson's Column in London

Indigenous broadcaster Stan Grant took issue with an inscription on the statue
The statue of Captain Cook in Sydney's Hyde Park says he 'discovered Australia'
It follows unrest in the US which led to Confederate statues being pulled down
And yesterday a British broadcaster called for the removal of Nelson's Column


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z4qhuVAtlK




What silly nonsense - Nelson's towering virtues dwarf his vices: As a campaign is launched to pull down the hero's statue because he was a 'white supremacist', MAX HASTINGS is exasperated

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z4qhufGtWO

[BeaverFever]

We should just do away with the concept of hero worship altogether

[Tricks]

Well this shit is stupid.

[Thanos]

Does post-modern Canada ever do anything that isn't completely stupid?

[stratos]

" ...his role in the starvation of Indigenous people along the railway to facilitate its construction — along with Macdonald's "central role as the architect of, really, what was genocide of Indigenous peoples on Turtle Island."

Tear it down every bit that has his name on it. How dare anyone keep up an memorial of a person who backed such vile behavior.

Isn't the same thing many of you feel about any Confederate memorial?

[Thanos]

John A., flaws and all, built a county. What did the Confederates leave as a legacy? The bitterness and hatred for each other that's festered for the last 150 years and has poisoned the US so badly another civil war could conceivably break out?

[BRAH]

When these snowflakes demand Gretzky's statue should be taken down there will be riots.

[stratos]

Thanos Thanos:

John A., flaws and all, built a county. What did the Confederates leave as a legacy? The bitterness and hatred for each other that's festered for the last 150 years and has poisoned the US so badly another civil war could conceivably break out?

They LEGALY left the Union (only admitted a couple decades ago) and created their own country. Most of those Confederates in monuments from the Civil war were key figures in the Mexican American war. This war resulted in the expansion of the US to the Pacific. This also enabled the US to obtain vast amounts of gold via California and spurred on the economic boom that helped the US become a key economic factor in the world. As a result the war the Nation over time stopped looking at it's self as individual states working together and more as a United Country.

But they lost the war and for that they are hated and despised. The claim of slavery behind this is actually a false flag when you look at Maryland who was a slave state and continued to be in the Union. No one hates the North for keeping slaves and even worse the Emancipation Proclamation did not free a single slave in the North it only applied to the Slaves in Southern States that were in rebellion. Where is your self righteous anger at those of the North who held slaves and have monuments to them for their effort in the war?

But hey Genocide is alright with you as long as it resulted in a country.

[Thanos]

They aren't despised for losing. For generations after the war ended they were held in the highest regard in the Union states for their bravery and military prowess. They aren't remembered fondly for slavery, the Klan, Jim Crow, and the outsized strangledhold the states of the former Confederacy now have on all of American national politics. In terms of actually "building" a country, the representatives of the states in the Confederate congress couldn't even build a proper supply chain overseen by a single central authority to ensure their own armies were kept properly fed and armed, that's how un-cooperative they were even with each other. "States rights" to the bitter end, indeed.

It's a shame that Reconstruction failed so badly. In hindsight the South should have been ruled under Union military governance until at least the outbreak of World War One. That level and duration of re-education and attitude adjustment was probably the minimum amount necessary to ensure that the control of the plantation nobility was ended once and for all, and that the belief system they held was as thoroughly burnt out of the South in the same way that occupation was required to ensure that Nazism and imperialism were burnt out of Germany and Japan respectively after World War Two.

[ShepherdsDog]

Looks like the City of Victoria is going full retard

[stratos]

$1:

They aren't despised for losing. For generations after the war ended they were held in the highest regard in the Union states for their bravery and military prowess.

That is exactly why they have monuments of them. Unfortunately people now want to claim it is in regards to slavery that the monuments were put up.

[Thanos]

Most of the monuments, the vast majority of them actually, were put up in the 1920's during the rebirth of the Klan and then again during the early 1960's during the civil rights campaigns. The fewest number of memorials were put up when Confederate war veterans were still alive. The monument craze mirrors periods of intense political activities that were aimed at intimidating blacks into keeping their mouths shut about Jim Crow and to scare them off from attempting to vote.

I'll mention it again, even though apparently no one is bothering to pay attention. Robert E. Lee himself didn't want to be memorialized because he accurately knew that turning the war into some kind of bogus Lost Cause would keep the mental and emotional wounds from ever healing. And he spent the last five years of his life dedicating his time and effort to rebuilding and repairing war damage so the physical scars of the war upon the land wouldn't be left as a reminder. It can only be seen as a genuine American tragedy that Lee's wishes were ignored by so many Southern agitators and politicians that used the Lost Cause fantasy for their own nefarious purposes.

[BartSimpson]

The purpose of hauling down these statues and monuments is to invalidate the people who are represented by them.

Once those people are invalidated then the work they did will be invalidated.

Such as the creation of the US Declaration of Independence and our Constitution.

In Canada they'll come after the Charter.

[martin14]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Looks like the City of Victoria is going full retard

Oh if they were serious about thing they should tear down the Empress.

And them most of downtown.

It's beyond stupid now.