[BartSimpson]

Stellar Stellar:

$1:

So is this Arctic issue. The only difference seems to be if it's your back yard, not your countries'.

My backyard doesn't consist of the arctic circle. Its too cold there to set up my lawnchair, and too windy to spark a blunt. I got all the backyard that is nescessary to me, as most Canadians should, right out my window.

So if some other country took the parts of Canada that did not include your backyard you'd be okay with it?

[Stellar]

Not exactly,

I'm using "my backyard" metaphoricly, as the extent to my personal needs. The arctic is beyond both that, and my national pride.

If your discussing on a higher level of thought then you'll see the point of my position, its aim is to argue for the more moral path - one unbiased of "national pride" and "market interests". I'm not setting a universal law that should be followed in every land dispute to the point that we have no nation.

Think about it.

I rest my case,

Stellar

[BartSimpson]

Stellar Stellar:

Not exactly,

I'm using "my backyard" metaphoricly, as the extent to my personal needs. The arctic is beyond both that, and my national pride.

If your discussing on a higher level of thought then you'll see the point of my position, its aim is to argue for the more moral path - one unbiased of "national pride" and "market interests". I'm not setting a universal law that should be followed in every land dispute to the point that we have no nation.

Think about it.

I rest my case,

Stellar

Then you are renouncing Canada's heretofore recognized claims on millions of square kilometres of territory?

[DrCaleb]

Stellar Stellar:

$1:

So is this Arctic issue. The only difference seems to be if it's your back yard, not your countries'.

My backyard doesn't consist of the arctic circle. Its too cold there to set up my lawnchair, and too windy to spark a blunt. I got all the backyard that is nescessary to me, as most Canadians should, right out my window.

So, because you have never been there or is doesn't affect you directly and obviously, you aren't concerned with it? You should be so lucky to experience the true beauty of the Arctic.

Stellar Stellar:

Not exactly,

I'm using "my backyard" metaphoricly, as the extent to my personal needs. The arctic is beyond both that, and my national pride.

If your discussing on a higher level of thought then you'll see the point of my position, its aim is to argue for the more moral path - one unbiased of "national pride" and "market interests". I'm not setting a universal law that should be followed in every land dispute to the point that we have no nation.

Think about it.

I rest my case,

Stellar

They you have failed. We cannot remove ourselves from our environment. What happens there does affect you. Ignoring the Canadians that do live and work in that region of Canada for the moment, the higher level you claim to be thinking on simply ignores that reality. You should be looking at the ramifications if the Arctic were to meet Chinese coal mine standards with respect to oil drilling, and people were in the precarious position of having to clean crude oil off the fur of a polar bear. The bear would not be willing to surrender it's territory as easily.

Then there is the precedent of surrendering territory willingly. Next, every country would come clamouring for a chunk of free country. Then your backyard would become property of Upper Elbonia, and you'd be evicted. But your morals would be intact, as you became a refugee.

Because it is not in your realm of influence does not mean its effects on you are zero. Not everyone shares your altruistic view of the planet. We aren't that far removed from the ancestor who would hit you on the head and drag you back to his cave.

[Bacardi4206]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

$1:

China is playing for keeps when it comes to vast natural resources that lie under the Arctic Ocean. A top Chinese admiral said earlier this year that, by his reasoning, because one-fifth of the world’s population lives in China, China was entitled to one-fifth of the resources that lie in the Arctic’s international waters.

"The Arctic belongs to all the people around the world as no nation has sovereignty over it," Rear Admiral Yin Zhuo said in the spring. "China must play an indispensable role in Arctic exploration as we have one-fifth of the world's population.”

China is going to be mighty disappointed.

They have no business in the Arctic.

And Canada has f*** all to stop them.

For the record, people; I told you so.

Ain't that why we tolerate you yanks? . Just jking, but seriously. I have no doubt if a country like China forcefully inserted itself in the Artic. The United States would back Canada. Would you guys really rather all that resources go to a country all over there instead of your neighbours who you KNOW will trade you a good ammount of those resources being we already do that with the ones we already have.

[GreenTiger]

If China were to send paratroopers and its navy to the Arctic
to claim its sovereignty over the sovereign Canadian territory
like Adolf Hitler did in France Poland, ect yes we would would
send the US Marines, air force and so on to freely "discuss"
this bayonet to bayonet if need be. Canada needs to stand
up enough to make a point that what is theirs is theirs. Not
the PC BS of we should give over half of our country away it
make nice nice and play footsie with Chinese Admiral Admiral Fok
Yu.

I would love to see to see the Chinese try this line on Mr Putin and try to chisel 20% of Russian resources. Even they aren't that stupid.

[ShepherdsDog]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

$1:

China is playing for keeps when it comes to vast natural resources that lie under the Arctic Ocean. A top Chinese admiral said earlier this year that, by his reasoning, because one-fifth of the world’s population lives in China, China was entitled to one-fifth of the resources that lie in the Arctic’s international waters.

"The Arctic belongs to all the people around the world as no nation has sovereignty over it," Rear Admiral Yin Zhuo said in the spring. "China must play an indispensable role in Arctic exploration as we have one-fifth of the world's population.”

China is going to be mighty disappointed.

They have no business in the Arctic.

And Canada has f*** all to stop them.

For the record, people; I told you so.

Yes we do. It's called winter. One hint of an arctic winter and there are going to be a lot of Chinese guys with two pea sized lumps on the top of their skulls(if the tops of their skulls aren't out and out torn off) as their testicles retract at near relativistic speeds. I'm sure the polar bears could develop a taste for Chinese too.....it's not too far off of Inuit.

[Dragom]

Well we do need more people in the Arctic, and China does have a lot of people... Maybe we could borrow a million to build up Tuktoyaktuk. That would make everything a lot easier for Arctic drilling.

[GreenTiger]

For the record, people; I told you so. [/quote]
Yes we do. It's called winter. One hint of an arctic winter and there are going to be a lot of Chinese guys with two pea sized lumps on the top of their skulls(if the tops of their skulls aren't out and out torn off) as their testicles retract at near relativistic speeds. I'm sure the polar bears could develop a taste for Chinese too.....it's not too far off of Inuit.[/quote]

The Bears then would have a New Definition of Chinese food.

[rickc]

It was pretty cold at the Chosin resevoir.Ragtag Chinese forces managed to overcome the cold and kick some serious U.N. ass during the Korean War.I don't think the Chinese are afraid of the cold,or dying.Fighting the Chinese is like killing cockroaches.You kill one,and ten more take his place.I wouldn't sell these guys short.

[DrCaleb]

rickc rickc:

It was pretty cold at the Chosin resevoir.Ragtag Chinese forces managed to overcome the cold and kick some serious U.N. ass during the Korean War.I don't think the Chinese are afraid of the cold,or dying.Fighting the Chinese is like killing cockroaches.You kill one,and ten more take his place.I wouldn't sell these guys short.

Look up "Hill 667", "Battle of Kap'yong"

[rickc]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

rickc rickc:

It was pretty cold at the Chosin resevoir.Ragtag Chinese forces managed to overcome the cold and kick some serious U.N. ass during the Korean War.I don't think the Chinese are afraid of the cold,or dying.Fighting the Chinese is like killing cockroaches.You kill one,and ten more take his place.I wouldn't sell these guys short.

Look up "Hill 667", "Battle of Kap'yong"

The battle of Kapyoug was a brilliant victory for Canadian forces,but it was only one battle in a very long [present day included] war.Don't get me wrong here,I'm not rooting for the other team.I am only pointing out that the Chinese can fight in the cold too.The Korean war would likely have been over in 1950 without the intervention of the Chinese.Peasants armed with rifles were able to take on U.N. forces and fight to a draw.That makes a powerfull statement.

[llama66]

I believe that the resources in the north that are with in Canadian waters are ours and should it be necessary we should go to war to protect what is ours. the conservatives need to start funding the navy and jump start the icebreaker program.

[martin14]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Stellar Stellar:

Stop being territorial and...

...you'll soon have no territory to worry about.

Stellar Stellar:

I won't fight for what I think isn't. I've got my half ounce and a lawnchair,

Stellar Stellar:

My backyard doesn't consist of the arctic circle. Its too cold there to set up my lawnchair, and too windy to spark a blunt.

Kinda says all you need to know right then and there.

That, and the dipper badge.



Superior class of fail.

[ShepherdsDog]

rickc rickc:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

rickc rickc:

It was pretty cold at the Chosin resevoir.Ragtag Chinese forces managed to overcome the cold and kick some serious U.N. ass during the Korean War.I don't think the Chinese are afraid of the cold,or dying.Fighting the Chinese is like killing cockroaches.You kill one,and ten more take his place.I wouldn't sell these guys short.

Look up "Hill 667", "Battle of Kap'yong"

The battle of Kapyoug was a brilliant victory for Canadian forces,but it was only one battle in a very long [present day included] war.Don't get me wrong here,I'm not rooting for the other team.I am only pointing out that the Chinese can fight in the cold too.The Korean war would likely have been over in 1950 without the intervention of the Chinese.Peasants armed with rifles were able to take on U.N. forces and fight to a draw.That makes a powerfull statement.

There's north Korean chilly, and then there's Canadian actic winters....a biiiiiig difference. plus there's the entire spoiled brat problem in the Chineses military due to the one child policy. If the Chinese soldier doesn't have his mommy he's lost.