[Newsbot]

Title: Gun control, homicide rates not linked: study
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: RUEZ
Date: 2011-10-05 22:12:24
Canadian

[uwish]

no surprise here.

[QBC]

[eureka]

Yet, if one reads the article, it becomes clear that the good Doctor is biased and that his study is biased and contradicts other, more detailed studies.

Even the National Post does not disguise that reality.

All around the world Gun Control has proved to lessen firearm homicides. In Canada, too, with the 1934 legislation to control handguns: a Gun Control factor he seems not to consider.

[andyt]

“The gun registry has hurt and killed people,” Really?

Anybody here not able to get the guns you want? You really want to walk down that US road?

[RUEZ]

andyt andyt:

“The gun registry has hurt and killed people,” Really?

Anybody here not able to get the guns you want? You really want to walk down that US road?

The gun registry doesn't even keep you from getting a gun. The registry comes after you've already purchased. The firearms license is what prevents you from purchasing a gun, and that should remain in place.

[andyt]

RUEZ RUEZ:

andyt andyt:

“The gun registry has hurt and killed people,” Really?

Anybody here not able to get the guns you want? You really want to walk down that US road?

The gun registry doesn't even keep you from getting a gun. The registry comes after you've already purchased. The firearms license is what prevents you from purchasing a gun, and that should remain in place.

Fair enough. But can give an example of where it's hurt and killed people to register their guns?

The only thing to be said for the registry is that it's already in place. It doesn't cost much to administer, and may do some good. I don't see how it does any harm.

[RUEZ]

andyt andyt:

Fair enough. But can give an example of where it's hurt and killed people to register their guns?

Well since the quote isn't mine no I cannot. I would like to see someone prove that as well.

[Zipperfish]

Doesn't make much intuitive sense to me. I didn't expect a large difference, but you'd think there'd be some difference. I wonder if you'd se more of a diference if you just studied that subset of murder called "crime of passion" where someone loses their wits and the "Bam! Alice. Straight to the moon." You'd think that access to a gun would make the homicide rate for that kind of crime higher simply because it can happen so quickly. Gun, flex index finger, done. Much easier than going all the way down to the tool room, finding the hammer, coming upstairs and then bludgeoning your wife with it.

[BartSimpson]

Gun control in Canada is pointless when the Mohawks smuggle guns across the border with impunity and the RCMP and OPP won't do a bloody thing about it because of politically correct sensitivities.

I oppose such laws, but if you're going to enforce such a thing then for the love of God, enforce them! Don't just spend a few billion dollars on impotent feel-good half measures and then leave the barn door open to select minority groups.

Why am I saying that? Because the tacit approval of Mohawk gun smuggling is supplying Canadian criminals with guns while leaving too many Canadians disarmed.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

Fair enough. But can give an example of where it's hurt and killed people to register their guns?

Mighty big strawman you have there. One does not need to be injured or killed in order to have one's rights taken away. Just as no one needs to have their life saved by the registry in order for it to be useful.

[Public_Domain]

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

andyt andyt:

Fair enough. But can give an example of where it's hurt and killed people to register their guns?

Mighty big strawman you have there. One does not need to be injured or killed in order to have one's rights taken away. Just as no one needs to have their life saved by the registry in order for it to be useful.

That strawman is a comment made by the researcher who conducted this study, it's in the article. I would say it shows he has a pretty strong bias, if he can make statements like that.

[fifeboy]

I read this article and said, "where to start?" But others are doing a good job so I will start with one point only. Why, please why? when one speaks about falling crime stats (including murder) in the U.S., is it always pointed out that concealed carry is causing the decreases, not changing population dynamics?? But in Canada we are told that it's changing population dynamics causing the decreases, not gun control measures?

[andyt]

fifeboy fifeboy:

I read this article and said, "where to start?" But others are doing a good job so I will start with one point only. Why, please why? when one speaks about falling crime stats (including murder) in the U.S., is it always pointed out that concealed carry is causing the decreases, not changing population dynamics?? But in Canada we are told that it's changing population dynamics causing the decreases, not gun control measures?

Well that's obvious. Gun control bad, conceal carry good.