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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:54 pm
 


People frothing at the mouth aside, what would people here think if people were barred from protesting in such a manner at a funeral?

For those that firmly believe in the right to peaceful demonstration, do you think this crosses a line? Can that line be easily defined?

Though I'm certainly not as phased by a few religious nuts as some here, I would personally have no complaints if they weren't permitted to protest in such a manner, and my line of thinking is that a ceremony such as a funeral isn't a public forum suitable for such a demonstration - do you think that's justifiable, or is it a sad reality that people are free to publicly speak their mind, however objectionable or inappropriate?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:00 pm
 


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This would be a good first step for the government to take to formulate policy sepecifically designed towards keeping all fundamentalist nutcases out of Canada, whether it be for temporary visitors like the ones from the Westboro vomitarium, or for the Sikh or Islamic ones who somehow end up living here permanently. Religion regularly keeps showing how dangerous it is so it's the responsibility of secular government to take measures against it.


The Liberals and the NDP would NEVER pass a law to restrict their beloved radical muslims.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:04 pm
 


Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
People frothing at the mouth aside, what would people here think if people were barred from protesting in such a manner at a funeral?

For those that firmly believe in the right to peaceful demonstration, do you think this crosses a line? Can that line be easily defined?


Easy. I firmly believe in Peaceful demonstration as a tool to show governments or corporations opposition (or support) for something people feel strongly about.

I see no reason to protest a funeral. It's simply societal custom to show respect for the dead, and protesting the funeral does nothing. This young man will remain dead. The attendees of a funeral cannot change the outcome for this young man. This young man had nothing to do with the cause or values the church members uphold. The only outcome is disrespect for an innocent victim of murder.

If they won't respect the custom of funerals, then they may have to be legislated into doing so. Or have their ass kicked by friends and/or/then family of the victim.


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Easy. I firmly believe in Peaceful demonstration as a tool to show governments or corporations opposition (or support) for something people feel strongly about.
So no protesting private citizens whatsoever?

That is indeed an easy distinction, but it seems a little broad. That being said, I can't really think off the top of my head of any specific instance where that would be an unfair or dangerous restriction.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:
I see no reason to protest a funeral. It's simply societal custom to show respect for the dead, and protesting the funeral does nothing. This young man will remain dead. The attendees of a funeral cannot change the outcome for this young man. This young man had nothing to do with the cause or values the church members uphold. The only outcome is disrespect for an innocent victim of murder.
This part I don't see as relevant - is 'reason' ever a consideration when it comes to peaceful protest?

Activists protest for all kinds of reasons that other people won't see as valuable, but it's their right to do so, however dumb or pointless.


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Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
People frothing at the mouth aside, what would people here think if people were barred from protesting in such a manner at a funeral?

For those that firmly believe in the right to peaceful demonstration, do you think this crosses a line? Can that line be easily defined?

Though I'm certainly not as phased by a few religious nuts as some here, I would personally have no complaints if they weren't permitted to protest in such a manner, and my line of thinking is that a ceremony such as a funeral isn't a public forum suitable for such a demonstration - do you think that's justifiable, or is it a sad reality that people are free to publicly speak their mind, however objectionable or inappropriate?


Thats very reasonable. A funeral is never a place for any political or religious statement of any kind. I'd have no problem with a law banning any such actions at such an event.


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Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
People frothing at the mouth aside, what would people here think if people were barred from protesting in such a manner at a funeral?

For those that firmly believe in the right to peaceful demonstration, do you think this crosses a line? Can that line be easily defined?

Though I'm certainly not as phased by a few religious nuts as some here, I would personally have no complaints if they weren't permitted to protest in such a manner, and my line of thinking is that a ceremony such as a funeral isn't a public forum suitable for such a demonstration - do you think that's justifiable, or is it a sad reality that people are free to publicly speak their mind, however objectionable or inappropriate?


Thats very reasonable. A funeral is never a place for any political or religious statement of any kind. I'd have no problem with a law banning any such actions at such an event.


Neither would I, there are just some things you should be allowed the freedom to be a idiot about then there is some things you just should not have that freedom for.


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WBC is nothing but a hate group, like the Nazi's. I hope they are banned from entering Canada.

Give Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper all the air time she want's it just shows the public what type of insane NUT job this woman and group is.

The father is the head of this group and is made up of mostly family members. This is a great example why incest is just a not a good thing.


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Thats very reasonable. A funeral is never a place for any political or religious statement of any kind. I'd have no problem with a law banning any such actions at such an event.
Why though? I could protest outside the local Baptist Church on Sunday if I was so inclined, and that would be just as distasteful for those attending the service. Why should funerals be deemed out of bounds?

I personally feel it's out of bounds, but again, I'm just searching for some rational justification if it were to be officially implemented.


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Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Thats very reasonable. A funeral is never a place for any political or religious statement of any kind. I'd have no problem with a law banning any such actions at such an event.
Why though? I could protest outside the local Baptist Church on Sunday if I was so inclined, and that would be just as distasteful for those attending the service. Why should funerals be deemed out of bounds?


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I would personally have no complaints if they weren't permitted to protest in such a manner, and my line of thinking is that a ceremony such as a funeral isn't a public forum suitable for such a demonstration


A funeral is a solemn event. It deserves a special dignity and nobody should be allowed to disrupt it. There is a time and place for that thing and a funeral isn't it.


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DerbyX DerbyX:
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Thats very reasonable. A funeral is never a place for any political or religious statement of any kind. I'd have no problem with a law banning any such actions at such an event.
Why though? I could protest outside the local Baptist Church on Sunday if I was so inclined, and that would be just as distasteful for those attending the service. Why should funerals be deemed out of bounds?


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Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
I would personally have no complaints if they weren't permitted to protest in such a manner, and my line of thinking is that a ceremony such as a funeral isn't a public forum suitable for such a demonstration


A funeral is a solemn event. It deserves a special dignity and nobody should be allowed to disrupt it. There is a time and place for that thing and a funeral isn't it.
I gave my personal opinion, but that's all it is - my personal opinion. I'm looking for a rational justification, otherwise it's no different than a religious person who says their beliefs deserve a 'special dignity'.


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