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Posts: 3915
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:16 pm
herbie herbie: SigPig SigPig: Mustang1 Mustang1: GM needs more cuts - Saturn, you're next Absolutely. I am amazed that they have even lasted this long. I can't remember the last time I even saw a saturn on the road, yet somehow they manage to stay afloat. I drive one, and contrary to Mustangs usual anti-Big3 rants, it was $12,000 cheaper than a comparable Toyota or Nissan. Granted, the interior upholstery is a little plainer but that aint worth $12K. Plus I slammed it into a snowbank and wiggled the panels to pop them back into shape. Beat the hell out of the $4200 bill that wiped out my old Mitshubishi (Dodge) 4x4 from doing the same thing but slower... Saturn is a good vehicle... There's nothing bad about them...
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Mustang1
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Posts: 7594
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:42 pm
Saturn is a "good" vehicle?!?!? Not according to anyone that has a clue about cars. Their overall reliability is junk, their resale value is garbage and they're about to become a well-deserved victim of GM restructuring. It's always good to hear what the gas jockeys at Canadian Tire think, though. 
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Posts: 42160
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:01 pm
$1: It's always good to hear what the gas jockeys at Canadian Tire think, though.
Stemmer is Kenmore?
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poquas
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Posts: 2245
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:46 pm
Canadian Tire has gas jockeys? Where? 
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Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:50 pm
poquas poquas: Canadian Tire has gas jockeys? Where?  **Fifeboy to insert tired MTBR joke here....** (__________________________________________________________________) 
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Posts: 3915
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:59 pm
Mustang1 Mustang1: Saturn is a "good" vehicle?!?!? Not according to anyone that has a clue about cars. Their overall reliability is junk, their resale value is garbage and they're about to become a well-deserved victim of GM restructuring. It's always good to hear what the gas jockeys at Canadian Tire think, though.  I do not get my cars repaired at Canadian Tire. Never have and never will... I do the bulk of my repairs myself... I wish you would stop putting words in my mouth.... This forum would be a much better place if your childish behaviour would stop... So please desist with inferring I take my cars to Crappy Tire for repairs, parts or advice... For I do not....
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Posts: 12283
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:07 pm
And stop trolling him, Musty. There are laws against that!
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Posts: 11813
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:07 pm
Don't get too upset when you deal with someone making decisions from data tables (an usually old ones). It's like finding the meaning of life in a set of actuary tables...
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Mustang1
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Posts: 7594
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:18 am
stemmer stemmer: Mustang1 Mustang1: Saturn is a "good" vehicle?!?!? Not according to anyone that has a clue about cars. Their overall reliability is junk, their resale value is garbage and they're about to become a well-deserved victim of GM restructuring. It's always good to hear what the gas jockeys at Canadian Tire think, though.  I do not get my cars repaired at Canadian Tire. Never have and never will... I do the bulk of my repairs myself... I wish you would stop putting words in my mouth.... This forum would be a much better place if your childish behaviour would stop... So please desist with inferring I take my cars to Crappy Tire for repairs, parts or advice... For I do not.... Immaterial fluff? Check. Crying? Check. Personal insults? Check. Hypocrisy? Check. I guess Canadian Tire was closed you couldn't actually substantiate your Saturn claims. Maybe today you could pepper the dude at the garden centre for more car info because evidently you know squat.
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Mustang1
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Posts: 7594
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:20 am
Streaker Streaker: And stop trolling him, Musty. There are laws against that! Actually he keeps responding so either he's a masochist because he loves getting beat here or a self-loather 'cause it appear his bridge is unattended. 
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Mustang1
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Posts: 7594
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:21 am
herbie herbie: Don't get too upset when you deal with someone making decisions from data tables (an usually old ones). It's like finding the meaning of life in a set of actuary tables... This should be good...and what should one go on for dependability/reliability numbers? Entrails? The moon? You?
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Posts: 3915
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:56 am
herbie herbie: I drive one, and contrary to Mustangs usual anti-Big3 rants, it was $12,000 cheaper than a comparable Toyota or Nissan. Granted, the interior upholstery is a little plainer but that aint worth $12K. Plus I slammed it into a snowbank and wiggled the panels to pop them back into shape. Beat the hell out of the $4200 bill that wiped out my old Mitshubishi (Dodge) 4x4 from doing the same thing but slower... I have a few friends who drive Saturns. A few previously had driven Hondas & Toyotas... the fact the body is never gonna rust on the Saturn is a big plus...
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Posts: 11813
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:25 am
$1: This should be good...and what should one go on for dependability/reliability numbers? Entrails? The moon? You?
I'd go for the goat entrails. About as reliable as going on expired data to judge something sitting in a car lot today. Better than a brand name loyalty blinding you to the fact anyone can turn out a total P.O.S.
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Posts: 3915
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:36 am
The problem with Motor Trend, Car & Driver and Road & Track reviews is they usually favor the manufacturer who does the most advertising within their magazine.... So I'm with Herbie on this one... I would sooner base my decision on my own personal experience and the advice of people in the industry that I personally know...
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Posts: 8851
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:57 am
SUV Rankings: Affordable Midsize SUVs Ranking of midsize SUVs and crossovers, generally priced under $35,000. Toyota 4Runner, Honda Pilot, Ford Explorer and more. Rankings based on an in-depth analysis by U.S. News editors of all published auto ratings, reviews and test drives.
Ranking ListSort by Scores MSRP: $34,700 - $41,020 Invoice: $31,577 - $37,122 MPG: 27 City / 25 Hwy #1 2009 Toyota Highlander Hybrid Redesigned last year, the Highlander Hybrid offers a spacious interior, smooth ride, and refined hybrid powertrain. However, some feel its price is too steep compared to the ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 8.8 Performance: 8.5 Exterior: 6.9 Interior: 8.1 Safety: 9.3 Reliability: 10.0 MSRP: $29,255 - $41,965 Invoice: $27,646 - $39,657 MPG: 17 City / 24 Hwy #2 2009 Chevrolet Traverse The all-new Traverse is a midsize crossover SUV that replaces the discontinued Uplander minivan. Reviewers see it as an affordable, stylish and versatile minivan alternative.
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 8.7 Performance: 8.6 Exterior: NA Interior: 8.8 Safety: 9.9 Reliability: 7.0 MSRP: $23,900 - $28,400 Invoice: $22,365 - $26,561 MPG: 17 City / 23 Hwy #2 2009 Mazda CX-7 The CX-7 is a performance crossover with a turbocharged engine that reviewers say makes for a fun driving experience.
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 8.7 Performance: 8.6 Exterior: 9.0 Interior: 7.6 Safety: 9.9 Reliability: 8.0 MSRP: $30,625 - $36,450 Invoice: $29,400 - $34,445 MPG: 16 (2008) City / 24 (2008) Hwy #2 2009 Saturn Outlook The Outlook is a family-friendly vehicle that delivers quick acceleration, competitive safety features, a spacious cabin, and decent fuel economy for its size.
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 8.7 Performance: 8.4 Exterior: 7.8 Interior: 8.5 Safety: 9.9 Reliability: 7.0 MSRP: $35,070 - $39,380 Invoice: $33,141 - $37,214 MPG: 17 City / 24 Hwy #5 2009 Buick Enclave The Enclave offers a smooth ride, stylish exterior and especially upscale interior for its class. It shares GM's Lambda platform with the Saturn Outlook and the GMC ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 8.6 Performance: 8.3 Exterior: 8.4 Interior: 8.5 Safety: 9.9 Reliability: 7.0 MSRP: $28,550 - $36,810 Invoice: $26,842 - $34,072 MPG: 17 City / 24 Hwy #5 2009 Ford Flex The all-new Flex is Ford's largest crossover yet. This highly-anticipated retro-styled SUV has generated plenty of positive press since it began making the rounds at auto shows ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 8.6 Performance: 7.7 Exterior: 8.5 Interior: 8.0 Safety: 9.9 Reliability: 8.0 MSRP: $27,600 - $34,520 Invoice: $24,840 - $31,067 MPG: 18 City / 24 Hwy #5 2009 Toyota Highlander Redesigned last year, the Highlander is a functional, family-friendly crossover. Riding on a new platform shared with the Toyota Camry and Avalon, the second-generation Highlander boasts a ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 8.6 Performance: 7.8 Exterior: 6.9 Interior: 8.0 Safety: 9.3 Reliability: 10.0 MSRP: $25,020 - $29,250 Invoice: $23,506 - $26,325 MPG: 19 City / 26 Hwy #5 2009 Toyota Venza The Venza is Toyota's new entry into the growing car-based SUV segment. Unlike Toyota's other crossover SUVs, it does not feature three-row seating -- giving it an ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 8.6 Performance: 7.7 Exterior: 7.8 Interior: 9.1 Safety: NA Reliability: 10.0 MSRP: $26,635 - $36,605 Invoice: $25,129 - $33,935 MPG: 17 City / 24 Hwy #9 2009 Ford Edge The Edge is applauded for its safety ratings, nifty styling, comfortable cabin and solid performance. However, some reviewers find its interior quality lacking compared to rivals, and ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 8.4 Performance: 7.9 Exterior: 8.7 Interior: 8.1 Safety: 9.3 Reliability: 8.0 MSRP: $31,890 - $40,490 Invoice: $30,136 - $38,263 MPG: 17 City / 24 Hwy #9 2009 GMC Acadia The Acadia offers an excellent combination of class-leading seating capacity, good cargo space and smooth ride quality. Built on the same platform as General Motors siblings Buick ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 8.4 Performance: 8.1 Exterior: 8.8 Interior: 8.7 Safety: 9.9 Reliability: 5.0 MSRP: $27,695 - $40,095 Invoice: $25,101 - $36,306 MPG: 17 City / 23 Hwy #9 2009 Honda Pilot With the first redesign since its 2003 introduction, the eight-seat Pilot gets more interior space, a new muscular exterior, and a more powerful engine.
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 8.4 Performance: 8.1 Exterior: 6.8 Interior: 7.7 Safety: 9.9 Reliability: 7.0 MSRP: $21,695 - $30,545 Invoice: $20,861 - $28,657 MPG: 17 (Est) City / 24 (Est) Hwy #12 2009 Hyundai Santa Fe Redesigned in 2007, the Hyundai Santa Fe is a value-priced family hauler that just doesn't stand out in a competitive segment. It delivers safety and value, but ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 8.3 Performance: 7.3 Exterior: 8.5 Interior: 7.9 Safety: 9.9 Reliability: 7.0 MSRP: $28,640 - $39,360 Invoice: $25,574 - $35,147 MPG: 16 City / 21 Hwy #12 2009 Toyota 4Runner The Toyota 4Runner's versatility for on-road or off-road driving will satisfy most prospective buyers. Its downsides include limited cabin space and poor fuel economy.
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 8.3 Performance: 8.3 Exterior: 7.5 Interior: 7.6 Safety: 8.5 Reliability: 9.0 MSRP: $23,320 - $24,910 Invoice: $21,453 - $22,917 MPG: 16 City / 20 Hwy #12 2009 Toyota FJ Cruiser In keeping with its iconic namesake, the eye-catching Toyota FJ Cruiser delivers solid off-road performance. If you want to stand out from the crowd and can live ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 8.3 Performance: 7.9 Exterior: 9.2 Interior: 7.4 Safety: 9.2 Reliability: 8.0 MSRP: $28,470 - $39,180 Invoice: $26,458 - $36,203 MPG: 14 City / 20 Hwy #15 2009 Ford Explorer The 2009 Explorer is a solid if unspectacular performer, with straightforward styling and nice comfort and safety features. Thanks to a 2006 redesign, most test drivers say ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 8.2 Performance: 7.8 Exterior: 5.7 Interior: 8.2 Safety: 9.9 Reliability: 9.0 MSRP: NA Invoice: NA MPG: NA #16 2009 Mitsubishi Endeavor Despite its aging design, the Endeavor still receives good reviews for distinctive styling, a strong engine and responsive handling. However, it doesn't offer a stand-out total package ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 8.1 Performance: 8.1 Exterior: 8.4 Interior: 8.3 Safety: NA Reliability: NA MSRP: $27,680 - $37,260 Invoice: $25,504 - $34,315 MPG: 18 City / 23 Hwy #16 2009 Nissan Murano The redesigned Murano delivers an even more refined ride and interior than its predecessor, making it an attractive and affordable choice within its class. For an even ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 8.1 Performance: 8.2 Exterior: 7.3 Interior: 8.4 Safety: 8.2 Reliability: 6.0 MSRP: $37,845 - $39,695 Invoice: $34,871 - $36,536 MPG: 17 City / 24 Hwy #18 2009 Lincoln MKX Lincoln's first CUV (Crossover Utility Vehicle), the 2009 MKX offers a refined, smooth ride and is filled to its spacious brim with luxury features. However, it still ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 8.0 Performance: 7.5 Exterior: 8.4 Interior: 8.1 Safety: 9.3 Reliability: 8.0 MSRP: $20,925 - $29,335 Invoice: $19,517 - $27,170 MPG: 19 City / 25 Hwy #19 2009 Dodge Journey The Journey is an all-new model that comes packed with family-friendly features for a very affordable price. However, reviewers complain about the base engine's poor performance and ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 7.9 Performance: 7.0 Exterior: 7.8 Interior: 7.6 Safety: 9.9 Reliability: 6.0 MSRP: $30,450 - $44,845 Invoice: $28,090 - $41,081 MPG: 16 City / 21 Hwy #19 2009 Jeep Grand Cherokee Redesigned last year, the Grand Cherokee is an excellent off-road vehicle with a luxurious interior, plenty of options and five strong engine choices. But it still can't ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 7.9 Performance: 8.5 Exterior: 8.8 Interior: 7.8 Safety: 9.9 Reliability: 4.0 MSRP: $28,700 - $35,030 Invoice: $26,697 - $32,457 MPG: 14 City / 20 Hwy #19 2009 Mercury Mountaineer Based on the same platform as the Ford Explorer, the Mountaineer is a competent and comfortable SUV. But its weaknesses are lower-than-average fuel economy and a sluggish ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 7.9 Performance: 7.5 Exterior: 8.3 Interior: 8.0 Safety: 9.9 Reliability: 10.0 MSRP: $24,635 - $36,195 Invoice: $22,745 - $33,034 MPG: 15 City / 22 Hwy #22 2008 Chrysler Pacifica The Pacifica carries many of the features now expected in crossover vehicles, but doesn't deliver the engine power or value of class leaders and ranks in the ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 7.7 Performance: 7.9 Exterior: 9.1 Interior: 8.0 Safety: 8.1 Reliability: 6.0 MSRP: $29,995 - $37,795 Invoice: $28,336 - $35,352 MPG: 16 City / 21 Hwy #22 2009 Subaru Tribeca While auto reviewers praise the Subaru Tribeca's powerful, responsive ride and excellent performance in crash tests, some wonder if it offers enough to distinguish itself from the ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 7.7 Performance: 7.5 Exterior: 6.9 Interior: 6.9 Safety: 9.9 Reliability: 6.0 MSRP: $30,750 - $43,130 Invoice: $28,598 - $40,111 MPG: 14 City / 18 Hwy #24 2009 Hummer H3 The H3 boasts great off-road capability -- but only mediocre highway performance and comfort -- in a distinctive, rugged package. If you can live without the brawny ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 7.5 Performance: 7.8 Exterior: 8.5 Interior: 7.6 Safety: 9.2 Reliability: 4.0 MSRP: $26,245 - $32,995 Invoice: $24,640 - $30,410 MPG: 17 City / 21 Hwy #24 2009 Kia Borrego Named after a state park in California and meaning "bighorned sheep," the Borrego is Kia's brand new midsize SUV -- and the manufacturer's largest offering yet. With ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 7.5 Performance: 7.8 Exterior: NA Interior: 8.0 Safety: 9.9 Reliability: 4.0 MSRP: $27,210 - $40,210 Invoice: $25,499 - $37,238 MPG: 15 City / 22 Hwy #26 2009 Nissan Pathfinder First introduced in 1986 and redesigned in 2005, the long-running Pathfinder delivers spacious seating for seven, a versatile interior, and decent off-road chops. However, it lags behind ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 7.4 Performance: 7.6 Exterior: 6.9 Interior: 7.7 Safety: NA Reliability: 4.0 MSRP: $30,625 - $38,670 Invoice: $28,634 - $36,156 MPG: 15 City / 21 Hwy #27 2009 GMC Envoy The Envoy's strengths are its spacious interior and outstanding towing capacity. However, these are eclipsed by sub-par handling and questionable reliability and value. For better value and ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 7.0 Performance: 7.6 Exterior: 9.1 Interior: 8.0 Safety: 7.9 Reliability: 4.0 MSRP: $25,595 - $29,980 Invoice: $24,572 - $28,781 MPG: 17 City / 24 Hwy #27 2009 Suzuki XL7 While it's a competent people hauler, the Suzuki XL7 can't match the acceleration, handling and interior quality of top rivals. However, it succeeds as a value-priced seven-passenger ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 7.0 Performance: 7.1 Exterior: 7.5 Interior: 7.1 Safety: 9.9 Reliability: 4.0 MSRP: $29,155 - $39,330 Invoice: $27,260 - $36,774 MPG: 14 City / 20 Hwy #29 2009 Chevrolet TrailBlazer The TrailBlazer's strong point is its comfortable, roomy and relatively well-equipped cabin, but that can't make up for sub-par handling and cheap interior materials. For a smoother ...
Read full review Get dealer quote U.S.News Scores Overall: 6.9 Performance: 6.9 Exterior: 8.8 Interior: 7.1 Safety: 7.9 Reliability: 7.0 Unranked: Affordable Midsize SUVs Our rankings are based on analysis of third party reviews. Sometimes, we are unable to find enough reviews to publish a definitive ranking. Please check back later, as we are constantly updating our reviews.
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2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee MSRP: NA | Invoice: NA | MPG: NA
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