[N_Fiddledog]

Looks like Trump's not going to take the GM shut-downs lying down.

$1:

In a series of tweets Wednesday, the president suggested adding a tariff on imported cars as a way to encourage domestic car production.

He said the small truck business in the U.S. has been a favorite for many years due to a 25-percent tariff on foreign trucks.

The reason that the small truck business in the U.S. is such a go to favorite is that, for many years, Tariffs of 25% have been put on small trucks coming into our country. It is called the “chicken tax.” If we did that with cars coming in, many more cars would be built here…..

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 28, 2018

The president also said other countries sending their cars to the U.S. have been taking advantage of the situation for decades.

He explained his administration has great power on this issue and is currently studying the situation due to General Motor’s recent plans to close some of their plants in the U.S.

…..and G.M. would not be closing their plants in Ohio, Michigan & Maryland. Get smart Congress. Also, the countries that send us cars have taken advantage of the U.S. for decades. The President has great power on this issue – Because of the G.M. event, it is being studied now!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 28, 2018

https://www.oann.com/president-trump-su ... roduction/

Still waiting for the Trudeau solution.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Thanos Thanos:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Thanos Thanos:

Both GM and Chrysler paid back in full the government bail-out money they were given back in 2009.

Really? Then why did Trudeau and Morneau forgive $3.7 billion in loans to Chrysler and GM in June of this year?

I corrected myself on this error a few pages back, *You Handsome guy, you*.

Shit, I must'a missed that page when I was flipping back and forth. My apologies my good sir.

[Thanos]

Yeah, Ford did it the old fashioned way. Instead of accepting subsidies he merely bought off as much of Congress as he could to ensure the Treasury Department wouldn't look into his finances too closely. And that the Labour Department wouldn't do anything at all about his grotesque abuses of his workers that he had effectively turned into serfs. Or so the Justice Department wouldn't bother at all to do anything about the goons he hired who were out murdering union organizers. And no one at all in the State Department or diplomatic circles would do anything at all about him promoting The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a bogus pre-WW1 czarist propaganda tract that explicitly influenced Adolph Hitler and helped pave the way in Europe for the Holocaust of the Jews.

Yeah, but at least he didn't accept any taxpayer subsidies to build his empire. Now, if he had, that would have been the real crime.

[llama66]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Still waiting for the Trudeau solution.

That IS the Trudeau solution. Nothing. He'll do nothing.

[bootlegga]

Tricks Tricks:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Tricks Tricks:

What cars have they (California) banned?

$1:

What is a 49 state vehicle?

Many vehicles are only certified to meet lesser federal emission standards, called "49-State" certified. Vehicles smog certified to California standards are referred to as "50-State" certified.

I hadn't heard of that! I wish I could find a list of cars that fall under that rule. Most modern cars shouldn't be affected, and it looks like anything with more than 7500 miles just needs to pay a fee to register.

That's one of the reasons the Jetta TDI was pulled from production in early 2007 and didn't get sold again until 2009 - at least that's what I was told when I went to buy a new TDI in 2007 and could only buy a 2006 model.

Of course those 2008 Jettas were the ones that had their computers tweaked to circumvent those California emissions regs.

[peck420]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Still waiting for the Trudeau solution.

Letting sunk cost sink, is the correct solution.

Every other solution just costs more resources to end up at the same point.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

$1:

If Ford's decision earlier this year wasn't proof, then GM's announcement this week should remove all doubt: Americans are done with the sedan. Like it or not, the trucks and SUVs have won.

Ford and Chrysler's decision to get rid of all sedans and small cars is idiotic to say the least. There are lots of people (myself included) that hate SUV's and like small, nimble cars. I have a 2014 Ford Focus I bought brand new, and love it to death.

I've been a Ford guy for almost all of the vehicles I've owned in my life, and let me say this: Ford has pretty much alienated me as a customer in the last couple years with their business practices. When this car is paid off, I was going to get either a brand new Fusion, or even the new Ranger truck, but that is now off the table.

VW's Jetta and Kia's Optima are my options down the road. I don't want a silly SUV. I want a small car that is quick, and fun to drive. My Focus might not be much to look at, but it's been a ton of fun, and always brings a smile to my face. I had an SUV once when my car was in for a recall, and the damn thing was cumbersome and clunky.

Add to the fact that getting rid of sedans kills the police/fleet sales for Ford and Cryco, the death knell for the Big 3 is getting louder and louder. As a company, the day you think you know the needs of the customer base before they do, you're gonna have a bd time. Based on my own experiences, Ford has stopped listening to it's customers, and is trying to tell us what we want. Big mistake.

If anything comes of this, it will be other car makers picking up the slack and making gains while others lose.

Interesting times indeed.

-J.

[Thanos]

It makes perfect corporate financial sense though to no longer bother with parts of the market that aren't profitable. I know the Focus remains popular. Actually it's basically the sole Ford car that still is popular - when's the last time anyone can remember seeing something like a newish Crown Victoria being driven as personal car instead of being used as a taxi cab? But it still can't compete with Civics/Corollas/Yaris/Matrix/etc/etc/etc. The Japanese, and now the Koreans too, have been building this small/compact car strategy for decades and they're so good at it that pretty much everyone else is at a major disadvantage against them. And the North American companies never seem to learn anything, not from the first oil/gasoline shocks back in the 1970's thru to today where their remain midsize and large cars are still fuel inefficient compared to the large German sedans. And, despite what some donkey like Donald Trump thinks, there is practically no one out there among the customer market that wants to back to the days of 10 miles to the gallon.

Don't give up on that new Ford Ranger though. That brand new styling looks pretty goddamn sweet, especially the Raptor model if you can afford to fuel it.

[BeaverFever]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

$1:

If Ford's decision earlier this year wasn't proof, then GM's announcement this week should remove all doubt: Americans are done with the sedan. Like it or not, the trucks and SUVs have won.

I have a 2014 Ford Focus I bought brand new, and love it to death....

I had an SUV once when my car was in for a recall...

[peck420]

Thanos Thanos:

Don't give up on that new Ford Ranger though. That brand new styling looks pretty goddamn sweet, especially the Raptor model if you can afford to fuel it.

If you can afford to import it, I doubt the fuel costs are going to be a major determiner in your thought process.

[Thanos]

peck420 peck420:

Thanos Thanos:

Don't give up on that new Ford Ranger though. That brand new styling looks pretty goddamn sweet, especially the Raptor model if you can afford to fuel it.

If you can afford to import it, I doubt the fuel costs are going to be a major determiner in your thought process.

Yup. Definitely a fun new little toy for someone with money.

[Coach85]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Looks like Trump's not going to take the GM shut-downs lying down.

$1:

In a series of tweets Wednesday, the president suggested adding a tariff on imported cars as a way to encourage domestic car production.

He said the small truck business in the U.S. has been a favorite for many years due to a 25-percent tariff on foreign trucks.

The reason that the small truck business in the U.S. is such a go to favorite is that, for many years, Tariffs of 25% have been put on small trucks coming into our country. It is called the “chicken tax.” If we did that with cars coming in, many more cars would be built here…..

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 28, 2018

The president also said other countries sending their cars to the U.S. have been taking advantage of the situation for decades.

He explained his administration has great power on this issue and is currently studying the situation due to General Motor’s recent plans to close some of their plants in the U.S.

…..and G.M. would not be closing their plants in Ohio, Michigan & Maryland. Get smart Congress. Also, the countries that send us cars have taken advantage of the U.S. for decades. The President has great power on this issue – Because of the G.M. event, it is being studied now!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 28, 2018

https://www.oann.com/president-trump-su ... roduction/

Still waiting for the Trudeau solution.

That's not a solution. That's posturing.

How much more are Americans and Canadians willing to pay for a car? If we want to force factories to stay in Canada or the USA, how much more are we willing to pay for cars? 10% 20%? We cannot demand cars be made in a Country where labour is much higher and expect costs to stay the same.

Nobody has been taken advantage of. Canadians and Americans have demanded more car for less money.

[herbie]

llama66 llama66:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Still waiting for the Trudeau solution.

That IS the Trudeau solution. Nothing. He'll do nothing.

Well why don't you enlighten him on what he CAN do? Instead of calling him out for not doing what you imagine he can?
I seriously doubt he'll buy 51% of GM so he can TELL the Board of Directors what to do.

[Coach85]

llama66 llama66:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Still waiting for the Trudeau solution.

That IS the Trudeau solution. Nothing. He'll do nothing.

That's the only solution on the table and I thank him and Doug Ford for not using this as some sort of event for political grandstanding to give people false hope.

[N_Fiddledog]

$1:

WASHINGTON — The head of Canada's largest autoworkers union wants Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to borrow the tactics of the U.S. president and get tough with General Motors, Donald Trump-style.

Unifor president Jerry Dias is also urging both countries to hold off signing the new U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement on trade and to join forces on a 40-per-cent tariff on GM vehicles built in Mexico. He wants the company to reverse plans to cut more than 14,000 jobs, including 2,500 production workers in Oshawa, Ont.

https://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/get ... 1.23512415

Hey herb...notice where that link comes from?