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DrCaleb DrCaleb:

What a silly thing to say. "They aren't doing well, because they are the only one not bankrupt" . . .

Do a search of "car sales by model" in your favorite search engine and then come back and tell me how silly it is...

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Mustang1 Mustang1:

And yet Toyota isn't in bankruptcy protection. More immaterial fluff. This is largely GM's fault and the blame shouldn't be heaped upon the global economic downturn - it didn't cause the junk products, crappy reliability or mismanaged products.

The fact remains. Toyota's sales are also down...

As far as crappy products I'd put a GM/Chevy or Chrysler truck against any truck Toyota has to offer.... And I would hardly consider the Corvette, Mailibu, Impala or Monte Carlo crappy

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stemmer stemmer:

The fact remains. Toyota's sales are also down...

As far as crappy products I'd put a GM/Chevy or Chrysler truck against any truck Toyota has to offer.... And I would hardly consider the Corvette, Mailibu, Impala or Monte Carlo crappy

Oh no..... here we go again.

Down is not the same as OUT. GM as we've known it is now gone. The models you list are the reason why.

[SprCForr]

Those models weren't the reason why.

Crap like the Aztec, Cimarron, Catera, Citations, Celebrity's, Vega's and the like are what killed them.

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SprCForr SprCForr:

Those models weren't the reason why.

Crap like the Aztec, Cimarron, Catera, Citations, Celebrity's, Vega's and the like are what killed them.

Those are worse than crap! You also forgot the Corvair! It made Unsafe at Any Speed and its author Ralph Nader famous!

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SprCForr SprCForr:

Those models weren't the reason why.

Crap like the Aztec, Cimarron, Catera, Citations, Celebrity's, Vega's and the like are what killed them.

Correct. It sure wasn't the Impalas/Monte Carlos/GrandPrix that hurt them, and a lot of their trucks over the past twenty years sure came damn close to truck-of-the-year awards too. I'd also put one of their major problems down as overpushing SUV's as well. Why eliminate things like station wagons (which had all the room a family would ever need an a lot better gas mileage than any SUV out there) altogther and force the choice of either picking a sedan that was getting continuously smaller on the inside or an SUV that costs twice as much and that's inherently unable to get a decent mileage no matter how well they're maintained or how safely they're driven?

It made no sense. Hopefully when the downsizing begins it starts with some of their department heads who've been making these disasterous marketing decisions for the last several decades. Ditto with the goofs at Dodge.

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Thanos Thanos:

It made no sense. Hopefully when the downsizing begins it starts with some of their department heads who've been making these disasterous marketing decisions for the last several decades. Ditto with the goofs at Dodge.

I understand they've all been issued Vespas and are learning Italian as we speak!

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The W bodied GMs are some of the best cars built (Impala, Lumina, Pontiac Grand Prix, Buick Century, etc)... There's a good reason why they and Ford Crown Vics / Mercury Grand Marquis are used as taxis and police cars. They are reliable, touch and cheap to maintain....

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poquas poquas:

Thanos Thanos:

It made no sense. Hopefully when the downsizing begins it starts with some of their department heads who've been making these disasterous marketing decisions for the last several decades. Ditto with the goofs at Dodge.

I understand they've all been issued Vespas and are learning Italian as we speak!

Give 'em all a Segway as a severance package and tell them to hit the road Paul Blart-style.

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stemmer stemmer:

The W bodied GMs are some of the best cars built (Impala, Lumina, Pontiac Grand Prix, Buick Century, etc)...

It seems the sales to the public and the phenomenal loss of money disagrees with you.

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poquas poquas:

Those are worse than crap! You also forgot the Corvair! It made Unsafe at Any Speed and its author Ralph Nader famous!

The Corvair had a similar rear engine/rear suspension design to the VW Bettle and some Porsches... Why then did Nader go after them? Answer, GM was an easier target for an American to go after then a German corporation....

Corvairs were raced in the SCAA Trans-Am series of the day and held their own on the track....

[Lemmy]

Corvairs were actually pretty cool. A friend of mine's father still has one that he keeps at the cottage to putter around in on weekends during the summer. The truth is, most cars built during the 60s were unsafe, at least by contemporary standards.

[SprCForr]

Lemmy Lemmy:

The truth is, most cars built during the 60s were unsafe, at least by contemporary standards.

All cars built during the 60's are unsafe by contemporary standards!

Yeah, Corvairs are sorta cool in a quirky way. Like these:



I always got a kick over Metropolitans.

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Nash Metros make neat hot rods.... Especially when there's a Blown Hemi or Big Block Chevy Rat....

[poquas]

I owned a Corvair and a Valiant (both well used). They were both oddities, and they both disintegrated completely before I finished University out east. I can't honestly say I miss either one very much.

My neighbour owns one of those goofy little Nash's he takes out on sunny days. I got a ride it it once, and that was enough.