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DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Tricks Tricks:

It doesn't excuse past behaviour, but can we still call him a violent criminal when his crime took place over a decade ago, and he's worked towards uplifting his community and advocated that a lot of what he participated in needs to stop.

Interesting double standard, isn't it?

But a violent cop is still a good thing.

I mean the cop did something violent 2 weeks ago, so it's current.

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Martin15 Martin15:

Tricks Tricks:

It appears that Floyd had been reformed and was living a much better life. After release from prison he worked with a local ministry mentoring young men in the community. He also apparently filmed an anti-gun violence video.

Really.

So, which part of methamphetamines do you consider reformed ?

And which part of high on fentanyl do you consider living a better life ?

And which part of mentoring is getting ready to drive away while being so fucked up on drugs
he didn't notice the fake $20 he passed that the ink was still wet ?

$1:

It doesn't excuse past behaviour, but can we still call him a violent criminal when his crime took place over a decade ago, and he's worked towards uplifting his community and advocated that a lot of what he participated in needs to stop.

Yeah, he's moved on from doing the home invasion and pointing guns at women thing.
Bully for him.

Ah yes, and our local resident tough guy who thinks someone who struggles with addiction deserves to die.

[DrCaleb]

Tricks Tricks:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Tricks Tricks:

It doesn't excuse past behaviour, but can we still call him a violent criminal when his crime took place over a decade ago, and he's worked towards uplifting his community and advocated that a lot of what he participated in needs to stop.

Interesting double standard, isn't it?

But a violent cop is still a good thing.

I mean the cop did something violent 2 weeks ago, so it's current.

I'm sure they do, every day somewhere.

But a "violent criminal" is always a violent criminal no matter how he conducts himself the rest of his life, but a "violent cop" was just doing his job.

[llama66]

I'm a full believer that people should be held to account for their actions. If a "violent criminal" is charged and does his time and is released, and is able to reintegrate to society, then to me; he should be a normal person. If a cop is violent with someone and uses excessive force, then he should be considered a violent criminal.

Wearing a piece of steel on your chest should not give a person carte blanche to run amok and terrorize the populace.

Justice is supposed to be blind, so cop or criminal should both called to the carpet; and answer for their actions if they act out of line.

[Freakinoldguy]

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Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

You seem to think that I'm trying to denigrate George Floyds "legacy" which I'm not and it's great that he was trying to go straight. But the fact remains that when you're convicted in a series of violent crimes no matter how long ago you're a violent person and the same goes for Derek Chauvin who also has a long history of violence.

And yes people can change but the past is always going to be there and rightly or wrongly it's going to be the bar by which society judges you especially if your crimes or in Chauvins case actions were violent. I also sincerely hope George Floyd had changed and become a good citizen because I'd hate to think that the man who committed these violent crimes and hadn't changed was being turned into a martyr just to further a political agenda.

https://greatgameindia.com/george-floyd-criminal/

Trust me. I know violent men and these were both violent men no matter how people want to spin it. Sadly, from all accounts one was trying to get free of his past and the other was reveling in his.

But nobody no matter their sins deserves to die in the manner that George Floyd did especially at the hands of a bully.

That's fair I suppose. I'm not sure I'm of the opinion that a person can't change. Wasn't really an argument on my part but a question to be posed.

No problem and for the record people can change but they just can't change their past. So, like I said before, rightly or wrongly we're all going to be defined by our past.

I also wonder given the fact that these men knew each other and had previous confrontations how much of this murder was racially motivated and how much was payback for those encounters?

[llama66]

Derek Chauvan and George Floyd worked at the same club. Bad Blood?

[Freakinoldguy]

llama66 llama66:

Derek Chauvan and George Floyd worked at the same club. Bad Blood?

See Thanos post a page or so back.

[llama66]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

llama66 llama66:

Derek Chauvan and George Floyd worked at the same club. Bad Blood?

See Thanos post a page or so back.

Did not see that, thanks!

[Martin15]

Tricks Tricks:

Martin15 Martin15:

Tricks Tricks:

It appears that Floyd had been reformed and was living a much better life. After release from prison he worked with a local ministry mentoring young men in the community. He also apparently filmed an anti-gun violence video.

Really.

So, which part of methamphetamines do you consider reformed ?

And which part of high on fentanyl do you consider living a better life ?

And which part of mentoring is getting ready to drive away while being so fucked up on drugs
he didn't notice the fake $20 he passed that the ink was still wet ?

$1:

It doesn't excuse past behaviour, but can we still call him a violent criminal when his crime took place over a decade ago, and he's worked towards uplifting his community and advocated that a lot of what he participated in needs to stop.

Yeah, he's moved on from doing the home invasion and pointing guns at women thing.
Bully for him.

Ah yes, and our local resident tough guy who thinks someone who struggles with addiction deserves to die.

Perfect non answer as usual, sprinkled with rage,
addicted to everything now equals reforming the life. Just more nonsense.


Next you'll tell us he was getting ready to start college as well.

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Martin15 Martin15:

Perfect non answer as usual, sprinkled with rage,
addicted to everything now equals reforming the life. Just more nonsense.

Next you'll tell us he was getting ready to start college as well.

He'd already been

I wasn't aware that struggling with addiction = violent criminal.

Keep perpetuating dumbass war on drugs bullshit.

[llama66]

Martin15 Martin15:

Tricks Tricks:

It appears that Floyd had been reformed and was living a much better life. After release from prison he worked with a local ministry mentoring young men in the community. He also apparently filmed an anti-gun violence video.

Really.

So, which part of methamphetamines do you consider reformed ?

And which part of high on fentanyl do you consider living a better life ?

And which part of mentoring is getting ready to drive away while being so fucked up on drugs
he didn't notice the fake $20 he passed that the ink was still wet ?

$1:

It doesn't excuse past behaviour, but can we still call him a violent criminal when his crime took place over a decade ago, and he's worked towards uplifting his community and advocated that a lot of what he participated in needs to stop.

Yeah, he's moved on from doing the home invasion and pointing guns at women thing.
Bully for him.

Was it street meth or was it pharmaceutical meth? Meth is a treatment for ADHD and Obesity. Counterfeiting is not violent crime. Generally it's considered a victimless crime. George Floyd should have been arrested and subjected to the justice system who would determine his fate, not Derek "Judge Dredd" Chauvin.

I've watched the arrest video many times, George Floyd knew the drill, and appeared to be generally cooperative, minimal control should have been required.

Also, since the Coroner has ruled his death a "Homicide", the meth argument is moot. Your pissing in the wind.

Murdering a man on the street by slowly choking the life out of him while intimidating people from interceding with a badge and uniform is generally considered a violent crime, however.

Dude, your victim was at fault holds minimal water. Floyd fucked up when he passed a fake bill, but the cop(s) fucked up way more when they slowly murdered a man on the streets of Minneapolis.

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[BartSimpson]

Martin15 Martin15:

addicted to everything now equals reforming the life. Just more nonsense.

Recovery for some people is a process and not simply a date on their calendar.

Tell you what, I spent a lot of years in shitty sandy places and sometimes it's hard to go to the grocery store and not wonder if there's a fucking ambush going to take place in the dairy aisle.

No, not a joke.

[BartSimpson]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

*MOD EDIT* everyone who calls me a commie should get a warning

No warning but please lay off the personal insults.

[Freakinoldguy]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

*MOD EDIT* everyone who calls me a commie should get a warning

And here I thought you were? So much for reading your posts, looking at your avatar and looking at the meme's you've posted from the Soviet Union then forming a mental consensus because, apparently these things gave me the wrong impression.

So, in the interest of clarity, what's your real political bent?