[raydan]

[Zipperfish]

raydan raydan:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Apparently we don't have sufficient Privacy laws to cover the removal of data they slurped off social media. The same Privacy laws that Social Media lobbies to not change.

The internet is weird. Imagine Bell Telephone company 140 years ago saying "here's your telephone, by the way we get to listen in on all your phone calls."

Actually, they could. But we had neighbours who did that.

Aging yourself there, buddy!

[raydan]

Unlike Caleb, we never had a part line... my grandparents had one at their summer home though.

[bootlegga]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

In the wake of George Floyd's death, Halifax council cancels plans to buy armoured vehicle

Well that should help de-escalate the current tensions but only slightly. Although, the bigger question is, why the fuck does any police dept especially a Canadian one need an armoured vehicle. Body armour and effective weapons yes especially given the fact that the criminals for some strange reason seem to have all kinds of access to high powered military assault weapons and have been known to use body armour in shootout.



Although this incident seems to have been the catalyst for the militarisation of police departments across North America I can understand why that became the mindset. But, I can't help but get the feeling that most of these police departments and city councils have gone overboard with the use of military grade vehicles and specialized military equipment. All those types of equipment gives the impression that they're an occupying force pushing the gov'ts agenda rather than a police force who's job is protecting the public through proper policing.

When technology allowed them to start cutting back on the numbers of officers they started taking cops off the beat and putting one cop per car which meant they immediately lost the ability to interact with the communities they were supposed to be protecting and we're seeing the results. A lack of compassion and a lack of empathy for the people they're supposed to be working for and it isn't just the white officers who display this flaw.

From what I've read, this was the impetus to transitioning from revolvers and shotguns to semi-auto handguns and AR-15 rifles so they would have increased firepower to deal with nutjobs armed with military-grade weaponry.

The adoption of these military vehicles by police forces has histroically been due to the Armed Forces getting rid of surplus vehicles (like Cougar APCs here in Canada and MRAPs in the US).

[Thanos]

Heard once that the phone-sex party lines were first introduced in Quebec. Seems about right.

[Thanos]

Anyhoo, looks like it might have been confirmed that Chauvin and Floyd knew each other from working nightclub security together and that they didn't like each other due to Floyd getting in Chauvin's face over being too aggressive with drunk patrons:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... omers.html

I doubt this could, or should, move the charges up to first-degree murder just to keep it out of the zone that would make an acquittal a near-certainty. But it could be becoming clearer that Chauvin had a pre-existing grudge against Floyd and used the fake $20 bill incident as an excuse to lay the hammer down on him.

[xerxes]

Thanos Thanos:

Anyhoo, looks like it might have been confirmed that Chauvin and Floyd knew each other from working nightclub security together and that they didn't like each other due to Floyd getting in Chauvin's face over being too aggressive with drunk patrons:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... omers.html

I doubt this could, or should, move the charges up to first-degree murder just to keep it out of the zone that would make an acquittal a near-certainty. But it could be becoming clearer that Chauvin had a pre-existing grudge against Floyd and used the fake $20 bill incident as an excuse to lay the hammer down on him.

Yeah, first degree would be a stretch. But given how much prior history they had, second degree is within reach.

[Freakinoldguy]

Thanos Thanos:

Anyhoo, looks like it might have been confirmed that Chauvin and Floyd knew each other from working nightclub security together and that they didn't like each other due to Floyd getting in Chauvin's face over being too aggressive with drunk patrons:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... omers.html

I doubt this could, or should, move the charges up to first-degree murder just to keep it out of the zone that would make an acquittal a near-certainty. But it could be becoming clearer that Chauvin had a pre-existing grudge against Floyd and used the fake $20 bill incident as an excuse to lay the hammer down on him.

So let me get this straight. Chauvin was a police officer moonlighting as a security guard in the same nightclub where Floyd a convicted felon was working as security guard?

I wonder who did the hiring of bouncers at this club and the reason I ask is because the mixing of violent cops and violent criminals in jobs of the same description might be seen as a catalyst to confrontation. Which, in this case proved to be the case because their animosity spilled over to the streets and unnecessarily cost a man his life.

[Tricks]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Thanos Thanos:

Anyhoo, looks like it might have been confirmed that Chauvin and Floyd knew each other from working nightclub security together and that they didn't like each other due to Floyd getting in Chauvin's face over being too aggressive with drunk patrons:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... omers.html

I doubt this could, or should, move the charges up to first-degree murder just to keep it out of the zone that would make an acquittal a near-certainty. But it could be becoming clearer that Chauvin had a pre-existing grudge against Floyd and used the fake $20 bill incident as an excuse to lay the hammer down on him.

So let me get this straight. Chauvin was a police officer moonlighting as a security guard in the same nightclub where Floyd a convicted felon was working as security guard?

I wonder who did the hiring of bouncers at this club and the reason I ask is because the mixing of violent cops and violent criminals in jobs of the same description might be seen as a catalyst to confrontation. Which, in this case proved to be the case because their animosity spilled over to the streets and unnecessarily cost a man his life.

I'm curious, when would someone drop the title of "violent criminal."

It appears that Floyd had been reformed and was living a much better life. After release from prison he worked with a local ministry mentoring young men in the community. He also apparently filmed an anti-gun violence video.

It doesn't excuse past behaviour, but can we still call him a violent criminal when his crime took place over a decade ago, and he's worked towards uplifting his community and advocated that a lot of what he participated in needs to stop.

[Sunnyways]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

So let me get this straight. Chauvin was a police officer moonlighting as a security guard in the same nightclub where Floyd a convicted felon was working as security guard?

Given the nature of the work, this is probably a common enough situation? Cops shouldn’t be allowed to do jobs like this on their own time IMO. What happens if an off-duty cop seriously injures somebody and one of his buddies turns up to investigate the incident?

[Scape]

[Freakinoldguy]

Tricks Tricks:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Thanos Thanos:

Anyhoo, looks like it might have been confirmed that Chauvin and Floyd knew each other from working nightclub security together and that they didn't like each other due to Floyd getting in Chauvin's face over being too aggressive with drunk patrons:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... omers.html

I doubt this could, or should, move the charges up to first-degree murder just to keep it out of the zone that would make an acquittal a near-certainty. But it could be becoming clearer that Chauvin had a pre-existing grudge against Floyd and used the fake $20 bill incident as an excuse to lay the hammer down on him.

So let me get this straight. Chauvin was a police officer moonlighting as a security guard in the same nightclub where Floyd a convicted felon was working as security guard?

I wonder who did the hiring of bouncers at this club and the reason I ask is because the mixing of violent cops and violent criminals in jobs of the same description might be seen as a catalyst to confrontation. Which, in this case proved to be the case because their animosity spilled over to the streets and unnecessarily cost a man his life.

I'm curious, when would someone drop the title of "violent criminal."

It appears that Floyd had been reformed and was living a much better life. After release from prison he worked with a local ministry mentoring young men in the community. He also apparently filmed an anti-gun violence video.

It doesn't excuse past behaviour, but can we still call him a violent criminal when his crime took place over a decade ago, and he's worked towards uplifting his community and advocated that a lot of what he participated in needs to stop.

You seem to think that I'm trying to denigrate George Floyds "legacy" which I'm not and it's great that he was trying to go straight. But the fact remains that when you're convicted in a series of violent crimes no matter how long ago you're a violent person and the same goes for Derek Chauvin who also has a long history of violence.

And yes people can change but the past is always going to be there and rightly or wrongly it's going to be the bar by which society judges you especially if your crimes or in Chauvins case actions were violent. I also sincerely hope George Floyd had changed and become a good citizen because I'd hate to think that the man who committed these violent crimes and hadn't changed was being turned into a martyr just to further a political agenda.

https://greatgameindia.com/george-floyd-criminal/

Trust me. I know violent men and these were both violent men no matter how people want to spin it. Sadly, from all accounts one was trying to get free of his past and the other was reveling in his.

But nobody no matter their sins deserves to die in the manner that George Floyd did especially at the hands of a bully.

[Martin15]

Tricks Tricks:

It appears that Floyd had been reformed and was living a much better life. After release from prison he worked with a local ministry mentoring young men in the community. He also apparently filmed an anti-gun violence video.

Really.

So, which part of methamphetamines do you consider reformed ?

And which part of high on fentanyl do you consider living a better life ?

And which part of mentoring is getting ready to drive away while being so fucked up on drugs
he didn't notice the fake $20 he passed that the ink was still wet ?

$1:

It doesn't excuse past behaviour, but can we still call him a violent criminal when his crime took place over a decade ago, and he's worked towards uplifting his community and advocated that a lot of what he participated in needs to stop.

Yeah, he's moved on from doing the home invasion and pointing guns at women thing.
Bully for him.

[DrCaleb]

Tricks Tricks:

It doesn't excuse past behaviour, but can we still call him a violent criminal when his crime took place over a decade ago, and he's worked towards uplifting his community and advocated that a lot of what he participated in needs to stop.

Interesting double standard, isn't it?

But a violent cop is still a good thing.

[Tricks]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

You seem to think that I'm trying to denigrate George Floyds "legacy" which I'm not and it's great that he was trying to go straight. But the fact remains that when you're convicted in a series of violent crimes no matter how long ago you're a violent person and the same goes for Derek Chauvin who also has a long history of violence.

And yes people can change but the past is always going to be there and rightly or wrongly it's going to be the bar by which society judges you especially if your crimes or in Chauvins case actions were violent. I also sincerely hope George Floyd had changed and become a good citizen because I'd hate to think that the man who committed these violent crimes and hadn't changed was being turned into a martyr just to further a political agenda.

https://greatgameindia.com/george-floyd-criminal/

Trust me. I know violent men and these were both violent men no matter how people want to spin it. Sadly, from all accounts one was trying to get free of his past and the other was reveling in his.

But nobody no matter their sins deserves to die in the manner that George Floyd did especially at the hands of a bully.

That's fair I suppose. I'm not sure I'm of the opinion that a person can't change. Wasn't really an argument on my part but a question to be posed.