[BartSimpson]

peck420 peck420:

Abuse of the term? Only if you are unaware of the definition...and since you are, here it is:

$1:

Genocide is the systematic destruction of all or a significant part of a racial, ethnic, religious or national group via the (a) Killing of members of the group; (b) Causing of serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberate inflicting on the group's conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing of measures intended to prevent births within the group; or (e) Forcible transferring of children of the group to another group.

Are Palestinians a national group? Why, yes they are.

Will Palestinians exist after Palestine is gone? Not for long.

Now, go look at a map. Palestinians have about 15-20 years before there is no longer a Palestine. Period. Once Palestine is gone, it will only be a matter of time until Palestinians are gone.

That is genocide.

To make it easy, I have underlined/bolded the pertinent points for you.

Then by your own definition the Palestinians have invested over sixty years in the attempted genocide of the Israelis and they're paying for it in spades.

C'est la guerre.

[Goober911]

[quote="BartSimpson"][/quote]
A ways back in this thread you mentioned they were trying to kill you. How and why?

[Jabberwalker]

... California death row?


... or is just Charlie Manson posting on forums, again?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Goober911 Goober911:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Yeah ok, I guess that's why in a report released by the CF in 2008 they said,

$1:

...that both the Israeli military and the UN refused to provide requested documents for the investigation.

However, in an email dated 18 July received by CTV and published 24 July, the deceased Canadian peacekeeper Major Paeta Hess-von Kruedener, stated: “What I can tell you is this: we have on a daily basis had numerous occasions where our position has come under direct or indirect fire from both artillery and aerial bombing. The closest artillery has landed within 2 meters of our position and the closest 1000 lb aerial bomb has landed 100 meters from our patrol base. This has not been deliberate targeting, but has rather been due to tactical necessity."

Murdered indeed Care to crank up the anti-Israel/anti-Harper rhetoric any higher?

The facts speak for themselves. If I recall correctly the the Govt removed the info on his death from their website.
What else would you call a deliberate attack on a UN site?

Uhhh how about the fact the IDF were actually engaging Hezbollah who were ALL over the UN position?!

Goober911 Goober911:

Now a link please?

You betcha. http://www2.canada.com/components/print ... 94d5fc6d50

[N_Fiddledog]

$1:

The media focuses on Gazan casualties but relies on reports provided by Hamas. Now the terror group has been caught in the act, reporting the death of a terrorist as a civilian.

IDF Blog:

"When IDF forces target terrorists in Gaza, Hamas leaders often conceal the deaths of its operatives. In many of these cases, the terrorist organization reports militant deaths as civilian casualties. This tactic has an obvious purpose: to attract international sympathy for Hamas while intensifying condemnation of Israel.

Hamas used this deceptive strategy on Saturday after the IDF targeted Mahmoud Osama Abbas. Hamas’ interior ministry Facebook page presented Osama Abbas as a civilian (in Arabic – مواطن), but a bit of research reveals that he was a senior terrorist in the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), a terrorist organization in Gaza. Images of Osama Abbas are publicly available on the organization’s website, which refers to him as a ground commander (in Arabic – قائد ميداني) who directed several attacks against Israel…"

Read on…

http://chersonandmolschky.com/2014/08/2 ... -casualty/





Also from the IDF...

[PublicAnimalNo9]

peck420 peck420:

Abuse of the term? Only if you are unaware of the definition...and since you are, here it is:

$1:

Genocide is the systematic destruction of all or a significant part of a racial, ethnic, religious or national group via the (a) Killing of members of the group; (b) Causing of serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberate inflicting on the group's conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing of measures intended to prevent births within the group; or (e) Forcible transferring of children of the group to another group.

Are Palestinians a national group? Why, yes they are.

Will Palestinians exist after Palestine is gone? Not for long.

Now, go look at a map. Palestinians have about 15-20 years before there is no longer a Palestine. Period. Once Palestine is gone, it will only be a matter of time until Palestinians are gone.

That is genocide.

To make it easy, I have underlined/bolded the pertinent points for you.

Once again, you choose to be blinded by some hidden anti-Israel sentiment. In the definition you posted, a,b and c can easily apply to Hamas and the treatment of their OWN people. Neither d nor e appear to apply to either group.

If Israel is supposedly committing genocide on Palestinians, they sure are taking their sweet ass time about it. Especially when you consider that according to both the UN and Palestinian records, the Palestinians have been one of THE FASTEST GROWING demographic groups over the last 20-30 years.
Is not that the opposite of genocide?

Of course, let's not forget if we're gonna go throwing the "genocide" term out there, it was Palestine that first declared a war of extermination against Israel in 1947. A war Palestine hasn't stopped fighting.

But the true irony of using "genocide" to describe Israel's responses/actions is that Palestine wouldn't exist at all today if it wasn't for Israel.
Just prior to the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon had reached an agreement on dividing up "Palestine" between them after Israel was wiped out.
Egypt was going to annex the entire southern half while Syria and Lebanon were going to split the northern half between them.
Had the coalition of Arab states won that war, or any of the succeeding wars, there'd be no Palestine or Israel today. Which maybe wouldn't have been a bad thing, considering.

There's no doubt that many of the Palestinian people are simply victims. Victims of a war that's been going on for almost 70 years.
Hamas uses them basically as cannon fodder. It's gotta be obvious even to you, since they know Israel has no qualms about bombing anywhere rocket attacks come from, or where weapons/ammo caches are located.
But I'm also pretty sure the average Israeli isn't exactly cheering on the deaths of innocent people either.
Any of the other Arab/Muslim states that are still providing materiel support to Palestine are only ensuring more innocent Palestinians die, since there's very little chance of a ragtag group of assholes like Hamas ever eliminating Israel.

All they need to do is knock it the hell off. Israel sure isn't bombing any of the countries that decided not to attack them anymore. Apparently that's not an object lesson that the Palestinian leadership even wants to learn: Stop pissing in Israel's corn flakes and they'll stop crapping all over your breakfast table.

However, at this point Israel is now in a no-win situation with their latest tactic, if, or I should say when the cease-fire is inevitably broken by Hamas. History has shown repeatedly that when you start leveling civilian structures(even with just cause), all it does is make those people pissed off at you and strengthen their resolve against you. They rarely, if ever blame the asshole(s) running the show in their own country.

[N_Fiddledog]

This is new, isn't it?

A ceasefire the Palestinians are cheering for.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/26 ... cial-says/

And Hamas is declaring victory. Nobody knows how they came to that conclusion, but they're doing it. Sounds like they're maybe at least going to take some time to rearm and dig more tunnels this time.

[Goober911]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

You betcha. http://www2.canada.com/components/print ... 94d5fc6d50

Really, Lew reading between the lines telling us this is what it meant. This link has no cred.

"What I can tell you is this," he wrote in an e-mail to CTV dated July 18. "We have on a daily basis had numerous occasions where our position has come under direct or indirect fire from both (Israeli) artillery and aerial bombing.

"The closest artillery has landed within 2 meters (sic) of our position and the closest 1000 lb aerial bomb has landed 100 meters (sic) from our patrol base. This has not been deliberate targeting, but rather due to tactical necessity."

Those words, particularly the last sentence, are not-so-veiled language indicating Israeli strikes were aimed at Hezbollah targets near the post, said Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie.

"What that means is, in plain English, 'We've got Hezbollah fighters running around in our positions, taking our positions here and then using us for shields and then engaging the (Israeli Defence Forces)," he said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... ebanon_War

Secretary-General Kofi Annan initially stated that he was "…shocked and deeply distressed by the apparently deliberate targeting by Israeli Defence Forces."[13] "This coordinated artillery and aerial attack on a long-established and clearly marked U.N. post at Khiyam occurred despite personal assurances given to me by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that U.N. positions would be spared Israeli fire," he said in a statement. "Furthermore, General Alain Pellegrini, the U.N. force commander in south Lebanon, had been in repeated contact with Israeli officers throughout the day, stressing the need to protect that particular U.N. position from attack."[14]

[Goober911]

Under the UN agreement Israel and Palestine are entitled to a State.
Has Israel in the last negotiation tried to achieve a peace agreement?

http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/0/7F0 ... 330061D253

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nat ... _Palestine

[Goober911]

Thanos Thanos:

Apparently another cease fire took effect today, surely to be broken a couple of hours from now by some meathead firing another 20-pack of rockets off in the general direction of Sderot.

Read that Qatar had put immense pressure on Hamas leader in Qatar to sign deal.

[Jabberwalker]

Goober911 Goober911:

Thanos Thanos:

Apparently another cease fire took effect today, surely to be broken a couple of hours from now by some meathead firing another 20-pack of rockets off in the general direction of Sderot.

Read that Qatar had put immense pressure on Hamas leader in Qatar to sign deal.

It's about time that the Arabs did something positive in the region, They tend to the "self serving" ...


Perhaps this is too and we fust don't know the background story.

[Goober911]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Goober911 Goober911:

Thanos Thanos:

Apparently another cease fire took effect today, surely to be broken a couple of hours from now by some meathead firing another 20-pack of rockets off in the general direction of Sderot.

Read that Qatar had put immense pressure on Hamas leader in Qatar to sign deal.

It's about time that the Arabs did something positive in the region, They tend to the "self serving" ...


Perhaps this is too and we fust don't know the background story.

I have stated time and again the biggest threat to Islam is Islam itself. Possible that what Europe went thru with the religious wars centuries ago is now taking place within the ME. So we could be looking at many years, or decades of infighting.
In NA we see a small number of Mosques that accept women and men praying as equals, accept gays, that demonstrates a seismic shift within Islam and the family unit in NA.
What will another 20 years show?
Media reports on this, that or whoever has joined, died, etc with an Islamic radical group. These are a small minority. And Media wants news that sells. Good news does not sell.
Just sayin is all.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Goober911 Goober911:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

You betcha. http://www2.canada.com/components/print ... 94d5fc6d50

Really, Lew reading between the lines telling us this is what it meant. This link has no cred.

The link has no cred? So the Ottawa Citizen isn't a credible media source?
And yeah, what would a retired Major-General know about military jargon anyway?

Here's an idea. Tell us what YOU think Major Paeta Hess-von Kruedener meant by "This has not been deliberate targeting, but has rather been due to tactical necessity."

[Jabberwalker]

Goober911 Goober911:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Goober911 Goober911:

Perhaps this is too and we just don't know the background story.

I have stated time and again the biggest threat to Islam is Islam itself. Possible that what Europe went thru with the religious wars centuries ago is now taking place within the ME. So we could be looking at many years, or decades of infighting.
In NA we see a small number of Mosques that accept women and men praying as equals, accept gays, that demonstrates a seismic shift within Islam and the family unit in NA.
What will another 20 years show?
Media reports on this, that or whoever has joined, died, etc with an Islamic radical group. These are a small minority. And Media wants news that sells. Good news does not sell.
Just sayin is all.

If this is indeed the beginnings of a Muslim Reformation, it is probably positive, in the end. Our ancestors waged their religious wars without modern technology beyond gun powder(perhaps even nukes come into play in the current one?)and they were till incredibly bloody and destructive. The area that we now call "Germany" lost 1/3 of it's population to the privations of the Thirty Years War.

[Goober911]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Goober911 Goober911:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

You betcha. http://www2.canada.com/components/print ... 94d5fc6d50

Really, Lew reading between the lines telling us this is what it meant. This link has no cred.

The link has no cred? So the Ottawa Citizen isn't a credible media source?
And yeah, what would a retired Major-General know about military jargon anyway?

Here's an idea. Tell us what YOU think Major Paeta Hess-von Kruedener meant by "This has not been deliberate targeting, but has rather been due to tactical necessity."

I missed that part. - My apologies.
But does this invalidate my points?