[BartSimpson]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

The US and France were the main Rwanda obstructionists at the UN. It wasn't UN bureaucacy or some vaguely described 'rogue nations'. It was the US and France.

US because the "Blackhawk Down" incident had occurred recently in Somalia and the US was not in the mood to lose more troops in some god-forsaken African hell-hole. France becuase they had political and business interests tied to the Hutu regime.

Rwanda was a cluster and President Clinton did well to steer clear of direct action inside the country.

[Goober911]

BRAH BRAH:

Why The UN Sucks, Reason #1: The Rwandan Genocide. "April 7 – July 15, 1994 Deaths: 500,000–1,000,000"

The UN asked for troops- No one offered. Not after the Somalia debacle.

[Gunnair]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

You guys are incorrect. Parts of the UN need to be pruned, but other parts do fantastic work. WHO on the African Ebola crisis for example.

Yes, there are a lot of international bodies under the rubric of the UN that are necessary. Not just WHO--a lot nobody has ever heard fo but are esstnial to international cooperation and trade.

But the General Assembly is a gong show, as is the Security Council. They lumber on like zombies because there is nothing to replace them with.

My posts failed to go through before yours came out saying the same. The branches may be good as Caleb suggests, but I think the tree is dying and frankly, there are a lot of good saplings in the forest that do the same as the big tree.

[BeaverFever]

$1:

Rwanda was a cluster

Is there any conflict that's not a cluster? Not only did they steer clear of direct action, they killed the mission that was already on the ground.

[BRAH]

Goober911 Goober911:

BRAH BRAH:

Why The UN Sucks, Reason #1: The Rwandan Genocide. "April 7 – July 15, 1994 Deaths: 500,000–1,000,000"

The UN asked for troops- No one offered. Not after the Somalia debacle.

All the UN did was debate, the United States and especially President Clinton were shell shocked after the battle of Mogadishu seeing the bodies of dead American Soldiers being dragged through the streets by cheering Somalis.

[Freakinoldguy]

BRAH BRAH:

Goober911 Goober911:

BRAH BRAH:

Why The UN Sucks, Reason #1: The Rwandan Genocide. "April 7 – July 15, 1994 Deaths: 500,000–1,000,000"

The UN asked for troops- No one offered. Not after the Somalia debacle.

All the UN did was debate, the United States and especially President Clinton were shell shocked after the battle of Mogadishu seeing the bodies of dead American Soldiers being dragged through the streets by cheering Somalis.

Then, it becomes a moral issue for Clinton because on his and the other 3 members of that Council's heads are the deaths of over 300.000 innocent civilians. After his admission that he was wrong about Rwanda I wonder how he sleeps at night although I'm sure that given past events the Russian and Chinese leaders don't have that problem. France I'm not so sure about

$1:

Former U.S. president Bill Clinton admitted that if the U.S. had gone into Rwanda sooner following the start of the 1994 genocide, at least a third or roughly 300,000 lives could have been saved.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100546207#.

Rwanda wasn't Somalia and at least half the people there would have been eternally grateful for US intervention. Now all they are is eternally dead. Like they say though, hindsight is 20/20 and hopefully Obama doesn't allow the same thing to happen on Sinjar Mountain.

[martin14]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

. After his admission that he was wrong about Rwanda I wonder how he sleeps at night although I'm sure that given

I'm sure he sleeps just fine, blowjobs from staffers tend to do that.

[BRAH]

Islamic Funeral: I See Dead People ... Move Lights, camera, action for the the gullible Western media.
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[BartSimpson]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Is there any conflict that's not a cluster?

True. Canada lost the Battle of the Plains of Abraham when you good folks beat the French.

[Goober911]

As I have mentioned the repercussions of this conflict spread for a number of reasons.
1 being the intransigence of the present Israeli Govt to address a 2 State solution.
2 many in the world believe this can be solved, unlike other ongoing conflicts.
An open sore that causes repercussions across the world.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/world ... world&_r=0

THE HAGUE — In 1943, Henk Zanoli took a dangerous train trip, slipping past Nazi guards and checkpoints to smuggle a Jewish boy from Amsterdam to the Dutch village of Eemnes. There, the Zanoli family, already under suspicion for resisting the Nazi occupation, hid the boy in their home for two years. The boy would be the only member of his family to survive the Holocaust.

Seventy-one years later, on July 20, an Israeli airstrike flattened a house in the Gaza Strip, killing six of Mr. Zanoli’s relatives by marriage. His grandniece, a Dutch diplomat, is married to a Palestinian economist, Ismail Ziadah, who lost three brothers, a sister-in-law, a nephew and his father’s first wife in the attack.

On Thursday, Mr. Zanoli, 91, whose father died in a Nazi camp, went to the Israeli Embassy in The Hague and returned a medal he received honoring him as one of the Righteous Among the Nations — non-Jews honored by Israel for saving Jews during the Holocaust. In an anguished letter to the Israeli ambassador to the Netherlands, he described the terrible price his family had paid for opposing Nazi tyranny.

[Jabberwalker]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Is there any conflict that's not a cluster?

True. Canada lost the Battle of the Plains of Abraham when you good folks beat the French.

Oh, and about your "victory" in the Mexican-American war, ...

[N_Fiddledog]

Here's what were starting to see more and more of.

From Calgary to Birmingham you're anti-Israel or it's harassment and attacks for you.

Whose Streets?
Not our streets? (Not anymore anyway)

$1:

Gaza crisis: Police officers attacked and stock thrown around as protesters 'wreak havoc' in Tesco store


Witnesses say demonstrators entered the Tesco store in Hodge Hill, Birmingham, and started pushing produce over and 'getting aggressive' with staff and shoppers

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article ... rotest.jpg

Police officers were attacked and stock thrown around during a protest against the Gaza conflict at a Tesco store today.

Witnesses say demonstrators entered the Tesco store in Hodge Hill, Birmingham, and started pushing produce over and 'getting aggressive' with staff and shoppers.

Pictures show a large number of police officers at the scene and stock strewn across the floor of the store.

West Midlands Police said one person was arrested for assaulting its officers during the protest.

About 100 people had gathered outside the store to demonstrate, calling on Tesco to stop all trade with Israeli agricultural companies...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ga ... ed-4061993

[N_Fiddledog]

But cheer up. Could be worse.

[Goober911]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Here's what were starting to see more and more of.

From Calgary to Birmingham you're anti-Israel or it's harassment and attacks for you.

Whose Streets?
Not our streets? (Not anymore anyway)

$1:

Gaza crisis: Police officers attacked and stock thrown around as protesters 'wreak havoc' in Tesco store


Witnesses say demonstrators entered the Tesco store in Hodge Hill, Birmingham, and started pushing produce over and 'getting aggressive' with staff and shoppers

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article ... rotest.jpg

Police officers were attacked and stock thrown around during a protest against the Gaza conflict at a Tesco store today.

Witnesses say demonstrators entered the Tesco store in Hodge Hill, Birmingham, and started pushing produce over and 'getting aggressive' with staff and shoppers.

Pictures show a large number of police officers at the scene and stock strewn across the floor of the store.

West Midlands Police said one person was arrested for assaulting its officers during the protest.

About 100 people had gathered outside the store to demonstrate, calling on Tesco to stop all trade with Israeli agricultural companies...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ga ... ed-4061993

OK riddle me this one
Did Israel negotiate fairly with the goal of a peace deal. I am referring to the US- Israel- Abbas recent talks?

[raydan]

This day in 1929...

The Palestine riots break out in Mandatory Palestine between Palestinian Arabs and Jews and continue until the end of the month. In total, 133 Jews and 116 Arabs are killed.