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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:15 am
 


andyt andyt:
mention of why that defense might be necessary.



You must be joking.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:20 am
 


Hamas's stated goal is to kill civilians with thier rockets. They have failed miserably. Israel's stated goal is to avoid civilian casualties. They have failed miserably.


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martin14 martin14:
andyt andyt:
mention of why that defense might be necessary.


You must be joking.


Andy is also critical of the Jews who unjustly murdered peaceful German civilians during the Warsaw Ghetto uprising.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:21 am
 


Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Hamas's stated goal is to kill civilians with thier rockets. They have failed miserably. Israel's stated goal is to avoid civilian casualties. They have failed miserably.


Given that Israel has only lost three to five civilians then I'd say they succeeded.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:35 am
 


There's also the fact that Hamas intentionally embeds itself in civilian populations, launches from and next to hospitals, schools and mosques, knowing full well that Israel will launch retaliatory strikes on launch sites. Hamas knows that there will be civilian casualties as a result.....their intention is to ensure that civilians die for PR purposes.


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ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
There's also the fact that Hamas intentionally embeds itself in civilian populations, launches from and next to hospitals, schools and mosques, knowing full well that Israel will launch retaliatory strikes on launch sites. Hamas knows that there will be civilian casualties as a result.....their intention is to ensure that civilians die for PR purposes.


Yes. And Israel's response seems to just push the Palestinians further and further into Hamas' arms. Partners in a dance, each using the other to justify their actions.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:43 am
 


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ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
There's also the fact that Hamas intentionally embeds itself in civilian populations, launches from and next to hospitals, schools and mosques, knowing full well that Israel will launch retaliatory strikes on launch sites. Hamas knows that there will be civilian casualties as a result.....their intention is to ensure that civilians die for PR purposes.


Yes. And Israel's response seems to just push the Palestinians further and further into Hamas' arms. Partners in a dance, each using the other to justify their actions.


If the Palestinians would simply stop fighting then they'd eventually obtain the rights of a civilizd country. But for now they're not the least bit civilized.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:46 am
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Andy is also critical of the Jews who unjustly murdered peaceful German civilians during the Warsaw Ghetto uprising.


Ironic, that you bring that up

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he Warsaw Ghetto was composed of Jews forced out of their homes and herded into one small section of the city.

Gaza is composed largely of refugees and their descendents, most of whom were forced to flee their homes during the 1948 war.

Like the Ghetto, in the last decade the Gaza Strip has been surrounded by a barrier that has literally imprisoned 1.5 million in a territory that has become one of the most densely populated in the world.

Once the war started, Gazan civilians were trapped within a war zone, while Israel - crucially, with Egyptian help - had full command of the territory in and around Gaza. This situation prompted comparisons with the absolute Nazi control of the Ghetto and its surrounding area during the uprising.

Increasing restrictions on food, water and medical supplies by the Israeli military, and severe levels of malnutrition and unemployment "evoked" memories of the Nazi's slow strangulation of the Ghetto, as Richard Falk described it.

Even the tunnels of Gaza have been compared to those used by Jews to smuggle food and other essential goods into the Ghetto from the "Aryan side".


http://www.aljazeera.com/focus/crisisin ... 41246.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/gaza-versu ... nity/32455

http://rt.com/op-edge/174980-warsaw-ghe ... estinians/


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:49 am
 


How can they obtain full rights in a Jewish state? If Israel wants to incorporate the Palestinians into Israel, with full citizenship rights no different than for Jews, well go for it. But it won't be a Jewish state for long. Nobody is seriously proposing this solution. Israel seems bent either on full ethnic cleansing or creating little rotten unviable Bantustans. Any sane person can recognize that a 2 state solution is the only viable one, that at leas has a hope of satisfying both sides.


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@DD: And in the Warsaw Ghetto the Jews were starved to death and then they were eventually transported to the labor camps where they were worked to death or executed upon arrival.

Gaza more closely resembles the New York City of "Escape from New York" where the criminals were locked inside because they couldn't be trusted to behave in public.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:00 am
 


ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
There's also the fact that Hamas intentionally embeds itself in civilian populations, launches from and next to hospitals, schools and mosques, knowing full well that Israel will launch retaliatory strikes on launch sites. Hamas knows that there will be civilian casualties as a result.....their intention is to ensure that civilians die for PR purposes.


Hamas should find an open field somewhere and call out "All right Israel, bring it on. We're over here." :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:23 am
 


They'd round up a group of civilians, dress themselves as women, and fire at the Israelis from within the crowd.....not caring if they hit some of their own.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:44 am
 


desertdude desertdude:
he Warsaw Ghetto was composed of Jews and now I'm going to post some false equivalency bullshit.



http://www.nizkor.org/features/denial-o ... manac.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... ewpop.html
http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/ ... lation.htm


There were around 17 million Jews worldwide in 1939.

11 million in 1945.

That's a loss rate of about 1/3.


There are about 1.5 billion Muslims in the world.

So, when the dirty Joo$ manage to kill about 500 million muslims, then you have something to compare.

Until then, you are just full of bullshit as usual.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:16 am
 


ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
They'd round up a group of civilians, dress themselves as women, and fire at the Israelis from within the crowd.....not caring if they hit some of their own.


Whoosh!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:26 am
 


Sheps got all sorts of stories mostly just regurgitated hasbara rhetoric without a shred of proof to back it up. Still waiting for the 4/5th of Jordan being Palestinian clarification.


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