[sandorski]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DanSC DanSC:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Brings to mind one of the conspiracy theories on bin Laden that his death was faked so the US could endlessly interrogate him and not worry about his civil rights.

That's an interesting theory I hadn't heard before, though I doubt it's true. Too easy to leak, especially with how much of that mission did leak.

Any of the info that got released is questionable simply for the fact that the entire SEAL team that was involved in the bin Laden raid conveniently died in a suspicious helicopter crash.

In short, there are no eyewitnesses left to say one way or the other about it.

This is not true, at all. The Squad that took out Bin Laden is not the same Squad killed in the helicopter crash. Also, the names of those who killed Bin Laden has never been released.

[desertdude]

Thanos Thanos:

No religious overtones to any of those incidents, as opposed to practically every single time a Muslim does something similar or worse. The liberals might join you in your "I blame society!" attempt but no realist will.

First of all read below to barts reply why I mentioned this. And as for you all other acts of terrorism are acceptable and business as usual if they have no religious motivation? Good to see where you stand.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

desertdude desertdude:

So who carried out Columbine, Sandy Hook, Aurora Theather, Oklahoma, just to name a few ?

We used to have a poster on this site who went by "desertdude" who would denounce this kind of argument as Whatabouttery with Whatabouttery being a flaccid attempt to divert attention from the subject at hand.

I wonder what happened to him?

This is anything but whataboutery. Thanos point was kids or people get disenfrenchised and at the most do drugs, talk back to the parents and some other dumb shit and they never go violent. Thats the connection here.

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

desertdude desertdude:

There could be a million man march tomorrow and people like our resident frothers will wiggle and worm trying to downplay that as some kind of infiltration tactic, as some have ridiculously stated that these attackers were taking it up the bum for years as some kind of cover. I hope they see how retarded they look coming up with such non-sense.

One would think it's kind of retarded to make a feeble attempt to put the blame on anything but the fact that these assholes do it in the name of their religion.

On the contrary, the Paris attacks were not done in the name of religion but rather as retaliation for bombing ISIS, there is a difference.

[Thanos]

No violence of that sort is acceptable to me and I've had enough fights here with others to prove it. For a semi-conservative I'm one of the few right-wingers who ever called out any of the others over things like American gun violence and the radical hate-fueled politics and religion that are causing it.

[BeaverFever]

Thanos Thanos:

Lemmy Lemmy:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Guess they figured blowing up and shooting a bunch of infidels would wipe the slate clean with Allah.

Or, it proves that they did what they did because they were angry, messed up, disenfranchised kids who happened to be Muslims rather than Islam having anything to do with their motivation.

"Disenfranchised" kids do things like drop out of school, tell their dad to fuck off, do drugs, sell drugs, and steal cars. They generally don't empty a magazine from an AK-47 at close range at people sitting in a restaurant. You're too smart to believe that puddle of politically correct society-is-always-to-blame drool you just posted. Or at least I hope you are.

Hmm so you've never heard of Columbine or the hundreds of other school shootings? For some of these people going to ISIS it's the same thing. Some

[BeaverFever]

Thanos Thanos:

No violence of that sort is acceptable to me and I've had enough fights here with others to prove it. For a semi-conservative I'm one of the few right-wingers who ever called out any of the others over things like American gun violence and the radical hate-fueled politics and religion that are causing it.

How do you reconcile the above comments with your post where you quoted Stonewall Jackson's "killing them all" moment?

[Thanos]

I'm against the initiation of violence in almost all circumstances. The righteous retaliation against said violence though? I'm a lot more open minded about that. Sometimes the hammer has to be brought down hard. Ask any Germans or Japanese of the time period whether or not their bids for empire were worth the massed air forces of the Allies pounding their cities into dust. Odds are most of the ones that survived retaliation and retribution being unleashed on them would in hindsight have changed their minds about what they as willing populations allowed their leaders to do that set off the conflagration in the first place.

[BeaverFever]

Thanos Thanos:

I'm against the initiation of violence in almost all circumstances. The righteous retaliation against said violence though? I'm a lot more open minded about that. Sometimes the hammer has to be brought down hard. Ask any Germans or Japanese of the time period whether or not their bids for empire were worth the massed air forces of the Allies pounding their cities into dust. Odds are most of the ones that survived retaliation and retribution being unleashed on them would in hindsight have changed their minds about what they as willing populations allowed their leaders to do that set off the conflagration in the first place.

The problem with that line of thinking, Thanos, is that everyone, including Al Qaeda and the ISIS recruits thinks the same way. They all claim to be righteously retaliating. Nobody ever goes around saying "I'm the instigator, I'm the bad guy". They all claim to he avenging what they believe is current or historical wrong committed against them.

So your logic is really no different than theirs, which is why it can't be accepted by civil society.

[Lemmy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

The problem with that line of thinking, Thanos, is that everyone, including Al Qaeda and the ISIS recruits thinks the same way. They all claim to be righteously retaliating. Nobody ever goes around saying "I'm the instigator, I'm the bad guy". They all claim to he avenging what they believe is current or historical wrong committed against them.

So your logic is really no different than theirs, which is why it can't be accepted by civil society.

Exactly. If we're troubled by Islamic terrorism, let's stay out of Islamic countries' affairs. That's what the anti-Muslim bigots don't get. Muslims aren't attacking because they're Muslim. They're attacking because the West is interfering in Muslim countries. If we fucked with the Buddhists as we've fucked with the Muslims, it'd be "Buddhism is as Buddhism does" and "Buddhism: the religion of peace " that the mouth-breathers would be spewing.

[PluggyRug]

desertdude desertdude:

On the contrary, the Paris attacks were not done in the name of religion but rather as retaliation for bombing ISIS, there is a difference.

Then ask yourself why is ISIS being bombed. The ISIS bastards are killing in the name of their religion. So no difference.

[Lemmy]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Then ask yourself why is ISIS being bombed. The ISIS bastards are killing in the name of their religion. So no difference.

No. We're bombing because they're killing. They say they're killing in the name of religion, but they aren't and only the stupidest among us believe they are.

[PluggyRug]

Lemmy Lemmy:

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Then ask yourself why is ISIS being bombed. The ISIS bastards are killing in the name of their religion. So no difference.

No. We're bombing because they're killing. They say they're killing in the name of religion, but they aren't and only the stupidest among us believe they are.

No, they're killing in the name of religion and only the stupidest among us say they aren't.

[desertdude]

Lemmy Lemmy:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

The problem with that line of thinking, Thanos, is that everyone, including Al Qaeda and the ISIS recruits thinks the same way. They all claim to be righteously retaliating. Nobody ever goes around saying "I'm the instigator, I'm the bad guy". They all claim to he avenging what they believe is current or historical wrong committed against them.

So your logic is really no different than theirs, which is why it can't be accepted by civil society.

Exactly. If we're troubled by Islamic terrorism, let's stay out of Islamic countries' affairs. That's what the anti-Muslim bigots don't get. Muslims aren't attacking because they're Muslim. They're attacking because the West is interfering in Muslim countries. If we fucked with the Buddhists as we've fucked with the Muslims, it'd be "Buddhism is as Buddhism does" and "Buddhism: the religion of peace " that the mouth-breathers would be spewing.

Copy that. Although I hate this sanctimonious arrogant prick, but he's dead on here. Like they say even a broken clock can be right twice a day.

[Lemmy]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

No, they're killing in the name of religion and only the stupidest among us say they aren't.

No matter how high an eagle may fly, you can always break a window with an axe.

[PluggyRug]

Lemmy Lemmy:

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

No, they're killing in the name of religion and only the stupidest among us say they aren't.

No matter how high an eagle may fly, you can always break a window with an ax.

Every leap year cows climb tree's. What's an ax?

[Lemmy]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

What's an ax?

A tool that has a heavy metal blade and a long handle that is used for chopping wood...or glass.