[CrazyNewfie]

Choban Choban:

CrazyNewfie CrazyNewfie:

Actually the world and the people in it would be better if we were more concerned with helping others instead of our own selfishness. You are part of the reason there are problems like this in our society. Your comments on what I said prove my point, you said "This sounds like one of those "It's society's fault" arguments meant to explain away the failure of an individual's moral compass. I don't buy it." of course you don't, that's the problem. You don't hear about many people coming from good homes doing really bad and stupid things like this because thats how they are/were raised.

I'm betting they weren't stolen for food money, most likley is drugs or youth that haven't been taught any better by their parents, still it takes the lowest of the low to steal from charity especially one linked and founded by poeple that bled so these scumbags can enjoy their freedom to smoke crack or be little shits

I didn't say they were starving or stealing it for food, more than likely you're right and they were stolen for drugs. My point is it's really easy to judge when you haven't walked in someone elses shoes. I came up in a modest household, not a lot of money but not poor, but I have had ups and downs, and I've gone through points of having nothing, you have no idea what poor is all about. Or how desperate someone can be when they have no hope.
I served my country in the military for 8 years, and yeah of course it pisses me off, I'm just saying people are too judgemental. I'm willing to bet these "scumbags" had a lot harder upbringing than you did. I'm also willing to bet you wouldn't be the same person you are today if you happened to be unfortunate enough to be born into the same situation.

[Public_Domain]

[PublicAnimalNo9]

CrazyNewfie CrazyNewfie:

... you have no idea what poor is all about. Or how desperate someone can be when they have no hope.

Been there, done that, and still have the physical scars to prove it. Lost my home, car, job, wife and temporary use of my legs. I still didn't rip-off a charity!
I could have some sympathy for someone stealing food or even clothes, but to steal a charity's/NPO's donation box is nothing short of reprehensible. There is NO excuse.

[BionicBunny]

I spent 13 years dealing with junkies Newf and the thing I learned with each and everyone of them is they had a choice. And I met quite a few who actually were well off, owned their own business, or were middle class and partied it up. They thought "coke is it".
The funny thing is, out of all of the junkies I dealt with, no matter what their situation, not one of them offered an excuse. In fact many said "don't do what I do man" or "don't do this stuff".

It only seems to be mainly the bleeding hearts or the well to do, who need pet causes, who offer excuses for them.

And no need to give me your line of "I don't understand where they came from". I was low income family, Christmas hampers, food bank, worked at age 8 to help out the family. I've been there and I'm not out stealing poppy boxes. I had my choice and I made it.

[BartSimpson]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

They should chain the boxes to something.

No, what you do is chain the thieves to an anchor and then take them for a nice ocean cruise.

[mikewood86]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

CrazyNewfie CrazyNewfie:

... you have no idea what poor is all about. Or how desperate someone can be when they have no hope.

Been there, done that, and still have the physical scars to prove it. Lost my home, car, job, wife and temporary use of my legs. I still didn't rip-off a charity!
I could have some sympathy for someone stealing food or even clothes, but to steal a charity's/NPO's donation box is nothing short of reprehensible. There is NO excuse.

Exactly.

What makes the thief (thieves) more deserving of that money than the veterans (or charity etc.) it's going to? These people have options, and while some options probably aren't great, they are ALL better than stealing a poppy box. It becomes an endless circle when a choice like that is made and it going to keep the person heading in the wrong direction.

[Gunnair]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Gunnair Gunnair:

These people are stealing poppie funds that ultimately go on to help the veterans who fought and bled in our wars in the service of our country. The people who stoles from these veterans are cowardly little shit pumps in service of themselves.

Just a minor point Gunnair, the Legion Poppy fund is accessible by any member of the community, not just Legion members. So these scumbags are stealing from themselves.

Roger. Thanks for the correction... they're still shitpumps though!

[gonavy47]

Anybody who would steal a charity box is a low-life scumbag in my book, no matter what their circumstances are. I've been poor, still am, but I wouldn't sink that low.EVER.

[Freakinoldguy]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

They should chain the boxes to something.

How about a cop?

[Public_Domain]

[CrazyNewfie]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Excellent posts CrazyNewfie, I agree. Took a very controversial view
here and I'm extremely glad you stuck with it and drove it home.

That said, if they truly want to prevent this from occurring again,
then chaining the boxes down is a "good move". Course they'll need
actual boxes and not plastic containers.

Thanks Mr._Canada, only one who kinda gets it. I agree with about the boxes, they should have a measure in place so that they cannot be stolen.
I don't know if I am very good at saying what I mean, with some of the comments I am getting here you would think I was the criminal. Some of the posts people are leaving me don't seem to get what I am trying to say. I am not saying the thief/thieves are more deserving, or that what they did was in any way acceptable. It's a really sh1tty thing to do, stealing from a charity. Maybe they are scumbags, but what brought them to that point? A choice? Maybe.

Like I already stated, I served my country for 8 years and I still am with Foreign affairs. And I know some of you came from poor families like me, but when I said you have ne idea what poor is, I meant it (I didn't know before I worked here). Unless of course you happened to grow up in a different country where they do know what poor is all about. If you grew up in canada then trust me you don't know what poor is. At least here there's somewhere to turn...food bank, shelters, places to get donated clothes, there are help programs for people who are willing to go that route. There are places in the world where people literally have nothing...my co-worker told me of a family who took one of their neighbours chickens because they were starving, and used it to feed the family for a week, A WEEK on one chicken (for a whole family)! And because they were afraid of retribution if someone found out they were burying the bones. That's poor.

[PostFactum]

Looks like those people were growing up without parents, or with the lazy one's. Absoulutely unmoral action.

[PostFactum]

CrazyNewfie CrazyNewfie:

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Excellent posts CrazyNewfie, I agree. Took a very controversial view
here and I'm extremely glad you stuck with it and drove it home.

That said, if they truly want to prevent this from occurring again,
then chaining the boxes down is a "good move". Course they'll need
actual boxes and not plastic containers.

Thanks Mr._Canada, only one who kinda gets it. I agree with about the boxes, they should have a measure in place so that they cannot be stolen.
I don't know if I am very good at saying what I mean, with some of the comments I am getting here you would think I was the criminal. Some of the posts people are leaving me don't seem to get what I am trying to say. I am not saying the thief/thieves are more deserving, or that what they did was in any way acceptable. It's a really sh1tty thing to do, stealing from a charity. Maybe they are scumbags, but what brought them to that point? A choice? Maybe.

Like I already stated, I served my country for 8 years and I still am with Foreign affairs. And I know some of you came from poor families like me, but when I said you have ne idea what poor is, I meant it (I didn't know before I worked here). Unless of course you happened to grow up in a different country where they do know what poor is all about. If you grew up in canada then trust me you don't know what poor is. At least here there's somewhere to turn...food bank, shelters, places to get donated clothes, there are help programs for people who are willing to go that route. There are places in the world where people literally have nothing...my co-worker told me of a family who took one of their neighbours chickens because they were starving, and used it to feed the family for a week, A WEEK on one chicken (for a whole family)! And because they were afraid of retribution if someone found out they were burying the bones. That's poor.

Yes man, when someone is telling to me that in Canada or US or somewhere else country he has a "bad job" with getting 10 dollars per hour, and he is saying that he's poor and his life sucks, the god keeps me from smashing his face on the table. He don't know what means not to have money for bread, what means to give fuck*ng bribe in college, because without it you can't pass an important exam and doesn't matter what you know, walk near the drunk cops who can strike or shoot you in every minute, what means to save money for all your live for a second hand car or think that you don't have money for having your own family or helping to your parents.

[CrazyNewfie]

PostFactum PostFactum:

Looks like those people were growing up without parents, or with the lazy one's. Absoulutely unmoral action.

To sum it up, yes that is part of what I was saying...these people probably grew up in households with bad parents, or without parents, or with parents not necessarily bad, but not exactly good (a workaholic parent who isn't physically abusive but just doesn't spend time with their children can be just as detrimental to a childs morals).

[Gunnair]

CrazyNewfie CrazyNewfie:

PostFactum PostFactum:

Looks like those people were growing up without parents, or with the lazy one's. Absoulutely unmoral action.

To sum it up, yes that is part of what I was saying...these people probably grew up in households with bad parents, or without parents, or with parents not necessarily bad, but not exactly good (a workaholic parent who isn't physically abusive but just doesn't spend time with their children can be just as detrimental to a childs morals).

You suggest that because of poor parenting, these people then have a tumbled moral compass. Fine. Accepting that, do they get some kind of a by when they stray off course?