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Robair Robair:

bootlegga bootlegga:

I have no doubt that's what they want. Unions, IMHO, are a creation of a bygone age and should disappear in the mists of time already. Labour standard have come a long way since the days when unions were first created to protect workers.

Nowadays, they are nothing more than parasites sucking the livelihood out of companies. I've seen far too many companies shutdown/go bankrupt because of union strikes, which puts everyone out of work.

In certain circumstances, I gree with you. I've seen unions destroy businesses. But on the other hand, the working class, apparently, is still getting shafted...

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Think back to that measly $53-a-year raise that the average Canadian worker has gotten since 1980. It amounts to considerably less than a 1 per cent hike in purchasing power over 25 years. In contrast, labour productivity over the same period has shot up 44 per cent. So while Canadians are producing nearly half as much again as our parents did, we are enjoying practically none of the gains. The fruits of our labour have, by and large, gone to bulk up corporate profits which have shot up 153 per cent, in real terms, since 1980.

Link.

I'm taking quotes out of that article all over the place, kick ass read. Anyway, it would appear the worker is still getting shafted overall. Even with all the cases of the worker's unions sinking the ship.

I was the guy who posted that article!

I'll agree that the working class is getting stiffed, but unions represent less than a third of all jobs, so that's two different arguments, IMHO.

Most of the profits corporations have made in the past three decades have gone to the top 15% of society, usually in the form of stock dividends and share price increase (making RRSPs/401Ks worth a lot more). Of course, the little guy benefits, but not nearly as much as the wealthy. Who does better, the guy who puts in $2000 a year or the guy who puts in the max (about $15,000 I think)? Tack on those new TFSAs, and the wealthy have yet another tool to hide wealth from the taxman.

[Streaker]

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Can you imagine the salaries of North American workers being decided by an Italian company.... This is revoltin'...!!!!!

Why is this revolting?

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Streaker Streaker:

stemmer stemmer:

Can you imagine the salaries of North American workers being decided by an Italian company.... This is revoltin'...!!!!!

Why is this revolting?

I wonder if they will get paid in "euros"

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Streaker Streaker:

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Can you imagine the salaries of North American workers being decided by an Italian company.... This is revoltin'...!!!!!

Why is this revolting?

North America is slowly surrendering it's sovereignty over to the EU, Asia, Saudi's, etc. Decisions that should be made within our borders are now influenced and in some situations made outside of our borders. Just look at our annual seal hunt, EU disproves of it and is doing everything it can to have it closed....

I hope Fiat does not purchase Chrysler as Chrysler and GM must remain a North American corporation. For one thing it's a matter of national security...

I would bet Japan would not be so gleeful if a North American corporation had it's designs on purchasing Toyota...

[martin14]

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Streaker Streaker:

stemmer stemmer:

Can you imagine the salaries of North American workers being decided by an Italian company.... This is revoltin'...!!!!!

Why is this revolting?

North America is slowly surrendering it's sovereignty over to the EU, Asia, Saudi's, etc. Decisions that should be made within our borders are now influenced and in some situations made outside of our borders. Just look at our annual seal hunt, EU disproves of it and is doing everything it can to have it closed....

I hope Fiat does not purchase Chrysler as Chrysler and GM must remain a North American corporation. For one thing it's a matter of national security...

I would bet Japan would not be so gleeful if a North American corporation had it's designs on purchasing Toyota...

No, they would simply block it and continue to prop up that company
in whatever way they needed to.






There ya go, impeach Obama on the basis of compromising national security !!



p.s. even Fiat gives this deal 50/50, so its either
go Fiat or go Chapter 7.. which is better ?

[ShepherdsDog]

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I hope Fiat does not purchase Chrysler as Chrysler and GM must remain a North American corporation. For one thing it's a matter of national security...

Have you been living in a bunker for the past 10 yrs.? There are no Corporations that are based on nationality or national interests anymore.

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I think I would prefer bankruptcy over any of the Big Three being being made a lackey of some foreign corporation....

Fiat over time would probably strip/rob Chrysler of all it's better & proven technologies and then simply shut down North American operations...

I see this more as a hostile take over...

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ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

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I hope Fiat does not purchase Chrysler as Chrysler and GM must remain a North American corporation. For one thing it's a matter of national security...

Have you been living in a bunker for the past 10 yrs.? There are no Corporations that are based on nationality or national interests anymore.

Chrysler is a valued member of the US industrial-military complex...

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I wonder how long it will be before some of the workers start secretly planning turfing the union or it's boss to save their jobs.
They wont all follow the union line as some will see its a bit more serious then a negotiation tactic.
We had a similiar situation here with the coal mines,after the bankruptcy that no one thought would happen, they opened one mine up non union and hired back the guys that actually wanted to work.
Lots were on strike over a year and some lost 25 years of pension money.
About 500 were blackballed in the industry and will never work there again.

All because no one wanted to compromise to save their jobs.

[SigPig]

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Fiat over time would probably strip/rob Chrysler of all it's better & proven technologies and then simply shut down North American operations...

Who says their technology is better? If it was so much better you would think that Fiat would be bankrupt and Chrysler would be buying THEM out. You are still caught in the mindset of superiority and entitlement that got the Big Three into this mess. They are no longer the hands down leaders in what they do and can't just assume that they will be around forever no matter what they choose to do.

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Being best in technology doesn't necessary mean more sales....

Studebaker's & Packard's technology was better in many areas then the Big Three in the 1950's & 1960's and guess who failed...

[SigPig]

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Being best in technology doesn't necessary mean more sales....

Studebaker's & Packard's technology was better in many areas then the Big Three in the 1950's & 1960's and guess who failed...

Ummmm ok.... So whats your point?

[ShepherdsDog]

Well, it seems that the Europeans have managed to kill two birds with one stone by producing environmentally friendly vehicles that are marketable. While the 'Big 3' were shat upon by the North American market. No one wants to buy SUVs and full sized cars anymore and the market shows that. But did the Detroit Dumbasses take a good look at what people want and what they are buying? No the arrogant pricks cut their own throats.

[stemmer]

I guess you haven't noticed Toyota, Nissan & Honda's trucks and SUVs are now as big as the Big Three's. Or have you not seen a Toyota Tundra lately? Or a Tacoma or a Land Cruiser or ??? Toyota has as many SUVs as GM, Mopar or Ford...

But I'll excuse you as you were probably blinded by the tears of the Make Me Laughs not making this years playoffs....

[ShepherdsDog]

Gee...I didn't realise that Honda, Nissan and Toyota were European Companies.....my bad