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Title: Euthanasia could save Canada millions in healthcare costs
Category: Health
Posted By: Freakinoldguy
Date: 2017-02-06 11:46:45
Canadian

[Freakinoldguy]

Thank God our euthanasia laws were drafted with only compassion in mind, so far. They make all kinds of arguments as to why people or their families should choose the end life solution but the ultimate factor always comes back to cost.

[Lemmy]

H

[Robair]

Link doesn't work for me.

But is this anything like the "Death penalty will save us money" argument? Meaning stupid as fuck?

Just wondering.

[Freakinoldguy]

Robair Robair:

Link doesn't work for me.

But is this anything like the "Death penalty will save us money" argument? Meaning stupid as fuck?

Just wondering.

Take away the argument for pain and suffering and it boils down to exactly the same thing. Here's the link again and hopefully it works.

https://www.mercatornet.com/careful/vie ... osts/19285

[Freakinoldguy]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Huh? What are you on about now?

I take it the link didn't work for you either?

[BartSimpson]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Huh? What are you on about now?

It was in the CBC:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ ... -1.3947481

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Medically assisted deaths could save millions in health care spending: Report

New research suggests medically assisted dying could result in substantial savings across Canada's health-care system.

Doctor-assisted death could reduce annual health-care spending across the country by between $34.7 million and $136.8 million, according to a report published in the Canadian Medical Association Journal on Monday.

The savings exceedingly outweigh the estimated $1.5 to $14.8 million in direct costs associated with implementing medically assisted dying.

"The take-away point is that there may be some upfront costs associated with offering medical assisted dying to Canadians, but there may also be a reduction in spending elsewhere in the system and therefore offering medical assistance in dying to Canadians will not cost the health care system anything extra," said Aaron Trachtenberg, an author of the report and a resident in internal medicine at the University of Calgary.

Cost has to be a part of the discussion

The researchers used numbers from the Netherlands and Belgium, where medically assisted death is legal, combined with Canadian spending data from Ontario. Trachtenberg stressed that means the work is theoretical and needs to be readdressed when Canada starts collecting large scale data at home.

After June 17, 2016 when Bill C-14 became law, provinces began rolling out their plans to deal with requests for doctor-assisted death.

Manitoba has set up a Medical Assistance in Dying team (MAID). More than 100 patients have contacted MAID, with 24 receiving medically assisted deaths as of Jan. 6.

"In a resource-limited health care system, anytime we roll out a large intervention there has to be a certain amount of planning and preparation and cost has to be a part of that discussion," Trachtenberg said, adding the provinces' differing plans could impact the cost structure of implementation.

"It's just the reality of working in a system of finite resources."

The report estimated that about one to four per cent of Canadians will die using physician-assisted death. Of those, 50 per cent will be between the ages of 60 and 80.

The report estimates a 50-50 split between men and women.

About 80 per cent of patients will have cancer and 60 per cent will have their lives shortened by one month while 40 per cent will have their lives shortened by one week.

End-of-life care has high costs in Canada

Health-care costs increase substantially among patients nearing the end of their life, Trachtenberg said.

"Canadians die in hospitals more often than, say, our counterparts in America or Europe and … we have a lack of palliative care services even though we are trying to improve that. And therefore people end up spending their final days in the hospital," he said.

"Hospital-based care costs the health care system more than a comprehensive palliative care system where we could help people achieve their goal of dying at home."

The report used Manitoba as an example, where 20 per cent of health care costs are attributable to patients within the six months before they die, despite their representing only one per cent of the population. Patients who choose medical assistance in dying may forego this resource-intensive period, the report said.

"Whenever we roll out a large-scale intervention there has to be a discussion around costs. But we do not suggest that costs should ever be considered at an individual level," Trachtenberg said.

"We are not suggesting that patients or providers consider costs when making this very personal and intimate decision to request or provide medical assistance in dying."

The report also emphasized that it is only a cost analysis and doesn't include the clinical effects on patients. Patient-level research will need to be done before true economic evaluation of medical assistance in dying in terms of cost-effectiveness and utility can be done, the report said.

So remember how liberals shit themselves when Sarah Palin was warning of death panels?

Well, here you go.

[BeaverFever]

$1:

So remember how liberals shit themselves when Sarah Palin was warning of death panels?
Well, here you go.

Ummm no. This is not a warning of death panels.

$1:

"Whenever we roll out a large-scale intervention there has to be a discussion around costs. But we do not suggest that costs should ever be considered at an individual level," Trachtenberg said.

"We are not suggesting that patients or providers consider costs when making this very personal and intimate decision to request or provide medical assistance in dying."

[N_Fiddledog]

In Belgium they killed their first kid.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/terminally- ... -1.3076748

Not to be outdone the Dutch progs have been killing alcoholics.

https://www.mercatornet.com/careful/vie ... lics/19066

You're up Justin. Top that.

[raydan]

I'm OK with euthanasia, but this story is just weird.

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[Alta_redneck]

Just for the unofficial record, Alberta are doing 5 or 6 a week, the smart people thought they would be doing 5 or 6 a month.

Unofficial because I'm to lazy to find the article.

[BartSimpson]

raydan raydan:

I'm OK with euthanasia, but this story is just weird.

The problem here is that just like we're seeing in Western Europe is that 'euthanasia' rapidly becomes involuntary euthanasia (murder).

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/07/04/thou ... anasia-ok/

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In 1990, 130,000 people died in the Netherlands: 2,300 people asked doctors to kill them; 400 asked doctors to provide them with the means to kill themselves; 8,100 died when doctors deliberately gave them an overdose of pain medication to kill them (for which 4,941 patients didn’t consent); 1,040 people died when doctors euthanized them without their knowledge or consent (72 per cent of those never having given any indication they would want their lives terminated).

Right now your 'betters' are trying to convince you that they'll only kill people under very specific conditions.

And you'll agree to it.

Then every now and again they'll push the envelope on what they can get away with until they're just like the Netherlands and Belgium where they're killing 'imperfect' babies, alcoholics, the homeless, and the elderly.

Which we've seen before:

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.ph ... d=10005200

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The "euthanasia" program was Nazi Germany's first program of mass murder. It predated the genocide of European Jewry (the Holocaust) by approximately two years. The program was one of many radical eugenic measures which aimed to restore the racial "integrity" of the German nation. It aimed to eliminate what eugenicists and their supporters considered "life unworthy of life": those individuals who—they believed—because of severe psychiatric, neurological, or physical disabilities represented both a genetic and a financial burden on German society and the state.

Child "Euthanasia" Program

In the spring and summer months of 1939, a number of planners began to organize a secret killing operation targeting disabled children. They were led by Philipp Bouhler, the director of Hitler's private chancellery, and Karl Brandt, Hitler's attending physician.

On August 18, 1939, the Reich Ministry of the Interior circulated a decree requiring all physicians, nurses, and midwives to report newborn infants and children under the age of three who showed signs of severe mental or physical disability.

Beginning in October 1939, public health authorities began to encourage parents of children with disabilities to admit their young children to one of a number of specially designated pediatric clinics throughout Germany and Austria. In reality, the clinics were children's killing wards. There, specially recruited medical staff murdered their young charges by lethal overdoses of medication or by starvation.

At first, medical professionals and clinic administrators included only infants and toddlers in the operation. As the scope of the measure widened, they included youths up to 17 years of age. Conservative estimates suggest that at least 5,000 physically and mentally disabled German children perished as a result of the child "euthanasia" program during the war years.

But in Canada, of course, it'll be done in the name of compassion so that'll make it okay.

Same shit, different wrapper.

[Thanos]

Where can I sign up for this? Do they take early applicants?

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