[Newsbot]

Title: 'Ethical oil' ad campaign riles Saudis
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: Scape
Date: 2011-09-19 09:47:21
Canadian

[Scape]

[martin14]

Good ad !

[andyt]

Will you cheer it when they make one about the oilsands? It would be nice to see one that does a comparison - human rights, environmental damage, shipping effects and carbon emissions. Do a ranking of oil. It would be interesting to see where the oilsands stand on that.

[Scape]

So the choice is to sacrifice environment or dictatorship and environment, albeit in a desert.

That choice is easy! Down with tyrants! Have a problem with tarsands? You have a choice, you can choose to drive electric. Use wind turbines and invest in smartgrids. The women of Saudi Arabia do not.

[bootlegga]

While I generally don't think very much of Ezra Levant, his book, Ethical Oil, made a lot of good points.

Why should we buy oil from the Saudis (or any other third world dictatorship), when we can get oil right here in Canada? Yes, there is the environment to consider, but how much cleaner is Saudi oil if it needs to be shipped from the other side of the planet? My guess is not very much (if at all).

[andyt]

If we cared about human rights we wouldn't buy shit from China either. Actually my point was similar to boots' taking transportation into account, how much cleaner is Saudi oil by the time it reaches the US? But guaranteed, if the US doesn't buy Saudi oil, there'll be plenty of other states eager to do so.

[Canadian_Mind]

I got an issue with if we use all our oil up before we use theirs, then we're reliant on them without choice. Atleast if we use all theirs up, they will be on our leash in 25-50 years instead of us on theirs.

[Scape]

Problem is supply. If we buy it or not there is still a demand. Calling the Saudi's out on their own barbarism is still a good thing.

The fur trade was once thriving once... till a PR campaign.

[DanSC]

No word on if women are allowed to drive in Ft. McMurray.

[bootlegga]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

I got an issue with if we use all our oil up before we use theirs, then we're reliant on them without choice. Atleast if we use all theirs up, they will be on our leash in 25-50 years instead of us on theirs.

That's not an issue.

There are currently about 180 billion barrels recoverable today, and production is around 1.5 million barrels a day. At that pace, it'll run out in about 350 years. Even if they get it up to 5 million barrels a day as planned by 2025, it'll still be around for another 120 years or so. And as long as oil is a primary energy source in the West, R&D will find ways to get at even more - there are about 1 trillion barrels of oil estimated in the oil sands right now - only 180 billion is currently recoverable. So it'll be a long time before the oil sands run out.

My bet is that the Saudis will run out of oil long before us (because it's easier to recover and they've been pumping it for far longer than we have the oil sands).

[bootlegga]

andyt andyt:

If we cared about human rights we wouldn't buy shit from China either. Actually my point was similar to boots' taking transportation into account, how much cleaner is Saudi oil by the time it reaches the US? But guaranteed, if the US doesn't buy Saudi oil, there'll be plenty of other states eager to do so.

I say let them.

If someone else wants to deal with the Saudis and their funding of extremists, let them. The sooner we wean ourselves off Middle East oil, the sooner the Islamic terrorists have no reason to bother us (they'll likely be too busy with the next generation of infidels occupying their countries).

[DanSC]

bootlegga bootlegga:

My bet is that the Saudis will run out of oil long before us (because it's easier to recover and they've been pumping it for far longer than we have the oil sands).

Not to mention oil is the only thing the Saudis have, besides tourism. Canada can grow food as well.

Of course, petroleum is needed for modern agriculture, but that could conceivably change.

[andyt]

bootlegga bootlegga:

andyt andyt:

If we cared about human rights we wouldn't buy shit from China either. Actually my point was similar to boots' taking transportation into account, how much cleaner is Saudi oil by the time it reaches the US? But guaranteed, if the US doesn't buy Saudi oil, there'll be plenty of other states eager to do so.

I say let them.

If someone else wants to deal with the Saudis and their funding of extremists, let them. The sooner we wean ourselves off Middle East oil, the sooner the Islamic terrorists have no reason to bother us (they'll likely be too busy with the next generation of infidels occupying their countries).

I've never understood why we don't use our won oil right across the country. Is it really cheaper to ship it from SA than run a pipeline back east? Of course we would have to nationalize the oil to prevent the Albertan from throwing their weight around more than they do now.

And the US needs to suck oil from every country it can - I don't know if it could replace Saudi oil with other sources.

[DanSC]

Of all the oil Americans use, <10% comes from Saudi Arabia. Switching semi trucks to natural gas and small cars to diesel would put a huge dent in that.