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Title: Drinking game death of teen leaves family wondering, 'Why''
Category: Health
Posted By: andyt
Date: 2016-02-22 08:15:36
Canadian

[DrCaleb]

Sorry to sound cold, but he's dead because no one had a discussion with him on responsible drinking. Something my parents did, and even actively encouraged. All my friends were allowed to come over, light a fire ain the back yeard and party all night long. They would even buy booze, if I paid for it. The only catch was everyone turned in their keys if they drove to my place.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hanna-lot ... &ir=Canada

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Sorry to sound cold, but he's dead because no one had a discussion with him on responsible drinking. Something my parents did, and even actively encouraged. All my friends were allowed to come over, light a fire ain the back yeard and party all night long. They would even buy booze, if I paid for it. The only catch was everyone turned in their keys if they drove to my place.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hanna-lot ... &ir=Canada

If you were boozing all night long, that doesn't really sound like responsible drinking. You weren't driving, but this guy did't die from driving, but from drinking too much. Media said there are about 80 direct alcohol overdose deaths a year. Unless your parents were checking up on you all throughout the night, (a good way to bum out the party) you still could have been getting in all sorts of trouble from binge drinking. And of course starting off some of your friends on a life of alcohol addiction. But, I agree that it's better than having kids drink and drive.

Wonder if your parents would have done the same with pot?

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Sorry to sound cold, but he's dead because no one had a discussion with him on responsible drinking. Something my parents did, and even actively encouraged. All my friends were allowed to come over, light a fire ain the back yeard and party all night long. They would even buy booze, if I paid for it. The only catch was everyone turned in their keys if they drove to my place.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hanna-lot ... &ir=Canada

If you were boozing all night long, that doesn't really sound like responsible drinking. You weren't driving, but this guy did't die from driving, but from drinking too much.

He died from drinking too much too fast. That's what we were learning in the back yard. Although my parents told me that the hard stuff was to be drunk in moderation, I still had to learn what happens when you chug half a bottle of coconut flavoured rum, or 'Moody Blue'. Learning that in a monitored environment is the safest way.

andyt andyt:

Media said there are about 80 direct alcohol overdose deaths a year. Unless your parents were checking up on you all throughout the night, (a good way to bum out the party) you still could have been getting in all sorts of trouble from binge drinking. And of course starting off some of your friends on a life of alcohol addiction. But, I agree that it's better than having kids drink and drive.

Our backyards were large, and there were four families that could look out the kitchen windows and check on the kids. More than once I woke up in a spare room without my pants and hugging a bucket. And not one of my friends developed an alcohol addiction - even the native kid next door. Quite the opposite, we are all are very responsible drinkers. Even on Remembrance day. I've never thrown up on Nov. 11th, never passed out, and only once drank myself sober. Unlike some of my comrades.

andyt andyt:

Wonder if your parents would have done the same with pot?

I don't know. I think mom would have been OK. Not sure about Dad though. Both smoked cigarettes, but the propaganda against Canibus was pretty thick back in their day.

[andyt]

Remembrance day is known as a big boozing day?

Of course what your parents did is better than the alternative. But binge drinking is bad for you no matter where you do it. If you passed out and came to puking, you were not so far away from where this kid was at.

Not that I can be holier than thou, since I was doing it when I was young too. Gave it up when I started having hangovers. I'm mostly just riffing on people who think drugs are so evil but think this sort of drinking is just wonderful and harmless, as if alcohol isn't just another drug.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

Remembrance day is known as a big boozing day?

Hell yes! At least at the Legion it is. I could tell you stories! Like the all RCMP I've seen over the years, from "Staff Sgt. Liquor Pig", to the Corporal in his NWMP browns puking in to his Stetson because he didn't want to dirty the floor.

It's a time honoured tradition to respect the fallen with a 'wake' every year.

andyt andyt:

Of course what your parents did is better than the alternative. But binge drinking is bad for you no matter where you do it. If you passed out and came to puking, you were not so far away from where this kid was at.

Very true. The difference is that I was surrounded by people who gave a shit about my well being, and I wasn't left passed out for an indeterminate amount of time. I'm told most of the time I was quite lucid, if incomprehensible.

andyt andyt:

Not that I can be holier than thou, since I was doing it when I was young too. Gave it up when I started having hangovers. I'm mostly just riffing on people who think drugs are so evil but think this sort of drinking is just wonderful and harmless, as if alcohol isn't just another drug.

I've never been one of those. I think pot is far less harmful than things like tobacco or alcohol. But it's not without risks as well.

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

andyt andyt:

Remembrance day is known as a big boozing day?

Hell yes! At least at the Legion it is. I could tell you stories! Like the all RCMP I've seen over the years, from "Staff Sgt. Liquor Pig", to the Corporal in his NWMP browns puking in to his Stetson because he didn't want to dirty the floor.

It's a time honoured tradition to respect the fallen with a 'wake' every year.

Not a very impressive picture you're painting there. So much for it being a solemn day.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

andyt andyt:

Remembrance day is known as a big boozing day?

Hell yes! At least at the Legion it is. I could tell you stories! Like the all RCMP I've seen over the years, from "Staff Sgt. Liquor Pig", to the Corporal in his NWMP browns puking in to his Stetson because he didn't want to dirty the floor.

It's a time honoured tradition to respect the fallen with a 'wake' every year.

Not a very impressive picture you're painting there. So much for it being a solemn day.

It's solemn, until services are over. Go to services one year, then when they invite everyone, go to the Legion afterwards. Stay till dinner is served. You might be surprised how respectful it really is.

[andyt]

I have to admit my tolerance for hanging around boozers (especially ones that puke in their hats) is pretty low these days. Stoners are a lot easier to handle. They don't puke, they don't want to be your best bud one moment an fight you the next. They are a lot easier to handle, and playing fetch with Doritos with them is kinda fun. But really I prefer people who are high on life, man.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

I have to admit my tolerance for hanging around boozers (especially ones that puke in their hats) is pretty low these days. Stoners are a lot easier to handle. They don't puke, they don't want to be your best bud one moment an fight you the next. They are a lot easier to handle, and playing fetch with Doritos with them is kinda fun. But really I prefer people who are high on life, man.

Nov. 11 at the Legion isn't just a big military themed frat party. It's people who have a shared experience celebrating life, and honouring the dead. Singing, dancing, partying, Pipe and Drum bands, drunk karaoke. Everyone laughs, sometimes there are tears, everyone shares stories, everyone goes home safe. Mostly safe - I remember a couple of times people needed stitches, but it was self inflicted. Seriously, seeing a former Royal Marine, Serving RCMP member, and former German Army soldier arm in arm singing 'Mull of Kintire' with that drunken lilt is something else.

[andyt]

For grown adults, I'm just not impressed when they get drunk. Sure, get a bit of a glow on, have fun, but from what you wrote earlier, I suspect there's lots that go way beyond that. And how many drive home, because the "can handle it"?

No doubt there's camaraderie. I would just be more impressed if it involved less booze. There is just so much harm that booze does in our society, and we are way too tolerant of it.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

For grown adults, I'm just not impressed when they get drunk. Sure, get a bit of a glow on, have fun, but from what you wrote earlier, I suspect there's lots that go way beyond that. And how many drive home, because the "can handle it"?

No doubt there's camaraderie. I would just be more impressed if it involved less booze. There is just so much harm that booze does in our society, and we are way too tolerant of it.

The problem you're not seeing here is that on days like Remembrance Day the act of reminiscing brings up some hard memories and a lot of guys deal with them by drinking them away.

[Public_Domain]

Ban alcohol or legalize heroin.

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The problem you're not seeing here is that on days like Remembrance Day the act of reminiscing brings up some hard memories and a lot of guys deal with them by drinking them away.

And the problem you may not be seeing is that that's a problem.

[andyt]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

Ban alcohol or legalize heroin.

Just regulate all of it. To different levels of course. I would regulate booze more tightly than it is now.