[Zipperfish]

Hmmm, I wonder if people on chat boards are more right wing or people who respond to media surveys are more left.

On this and other chat sites, a lot more people loathe Suzuki than like him.

[DrCaleb]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Hmmm, I wonder if people on chat boards are more right wing or people who respond to media surveys are more left.

On this and other chat sites, a lot more people loathe Suzuki than like him.

I've had that thought myself. I continue to think it's a perception thing, more than a chat board population thing because it see it in other instances. 'Al Gore claims he invented the Internet' when he never claimed any such thing, for example.

[ShepherdsDog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Hmmm, I wonder if people on chat boards are more right wing or people who respond to media surveys are more left.

On this and other chat sites, a lot more people loathe Suzuki than like him.

hmmmmmm........identification papers please.

[Public_Domain]

[bootlegga]

Jonny_C Jonny_C:

bootlegga bootlegga:

I'm not a big fan of Suzuki particularly, but he has taken steps to reduce his carbon footprint - like appearing via video conference instead of travelling everywhere.

That's what you call a token bow to the pressure of valid criticism.

At least he can claim to have taken some steps towards lightening his footprint - can you say the same? I know I have.

Suzuki may have a bigger house than most of us, but I'll also wager he's got solar panels or some alternative fuel source, uses CFC lightbulbs, Energy Star appliances, etc. If he drives, he's probably got something fuel efficient, not a Hummer or gas guzzling SUV.

This isn't an attack on you or anyone else, but if everyone does a little here and there, it can add up to a whole lot...I'd say that Suzuki has done whatever he can, whenever he could, while I'd wager many of his critics haven't.

[Public_Domain]

[jj2424]

bootlegga bootlegga:

At least he can claim to have taken some steps towards lightening his footprint - can you say the same? I know I have.

Suzuki may have a bigger house than most of us, but I'll also wager he's got solar panels or some alternative fuel source, uses CFC lightbulbs, Energy Star appliances, etc. If he drives, he's probably got something fuel efficient, not a Hummer or gas guzzling SUV.

This isn't an attack on you or anyone else, but if everyone does a little here and there, it can add up to a whole lot...I'd say that Suzuki has done whatever he can, whenever he could, while I'd wager many of his critics haven't.

Big frikkin deal. The guy has three fricken mansions in BC alone and he has the gall to complain about others. His house in Vancouver takes up two lots. Does he really need three mansions and a private island home? Does he use a row boat to get there?


I have solar panels on my house. I use CFC bulbs, my appliances are all brand new. Outside of work trucks my own use vehicles are all cars with a small V6 and the others are all 4 bangers. Does that make me a "hero" of the enthronement?

[Jonny_C]

bootlegga bootlegga:

At least he can claim to have taken some steps towards lightening his footprint - can you say the same? I know I have.

Suzuki may have a bigger house than most of us, but I'll also wager he's got solar panels or some alternative fuel source, uses CFC lightbulbs, Energy Star appliances, etc. If he drives, he's probably got something fuel efficient, not a Hummer or gas guzzling SUV.

This isn't an attack on you or anyone else, but if everyone does a little here and there, it can add up to a whole lot...I'd say that Suzuki has done whatever he can, whenever he could, while I'd wager many of his critics haven't.

Suzuki may well follow strategies that reduce his consumption, like I do, but I'll bet if we total up Suzuki's impact on the environment, energy consumption, and carbon footprint, I'm an order of magnitude "greener" than he is. And not totally by economic constraint but by choice as well.

Anyone who owns multiple large homes and lives his lifestyle can't possibly be as environmentally frugal as I am.

A well-heeled celebrity like Suzuki doesn't get a free pass on his impact just because he's got a lot of money to spend, not when he preaches restraint. That's his Achilles heel.

[andyt]

bootlegga bootlegga:

but if everyone does a little here and there, it can add up to a whole lot...I'd say that Suzuki has done whatever he can, whenever he could, while I'd wager many of his critics haven't.

Everyone doing a little adds up to a whole lot of very little, since there's 7 billion of us and counting. Most of those 7 billion and counting are working feverishly to attain our levels of consumption, ie resource use. Changing your light bulbs or using ceramic cups instead of styrofoam ones doesn't add up to much. A while back you were talking about buying a Q7. You'd have to way cut back in other places to make up for driving that thing around, especially to work by yourself, but even with your whole brood in it.

I think we're fucked, doubt if everybody doing a little will make any difference in when we run out of resources or choke ourselves to death, or starve to death or what have you. Not breeding would be the biggest thing we could do, and even then it's probably too late.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

bootlegga bootlegga:

but if everyone does a little here and there, it can add up to a whole lot...I'd say that Suzuki has done whatever he can, whenever he could, while I'd wager many of his critics haven't.

Everyone doing a little adds up to a whole lot of very little, since there's 7 billion of us and counting. Most of those 7 billion and counting are working feverishly to attain our levels of consumption, ie resource use. Changing your light bulbs or using ceramic cups instead of styrofoam ones doesn't add up to much. A while back you were talking about buying a Q7. You'd have to way cut back in other places to make up for driving that thing around, especially to work by yourself, but even with your whole brood in it.

Most of those 7 billion don't have access to electricity or indoor plumbing, so 'greening' them is pointless. The Billion or so in the western world can make a huge difference in our environment. And the lessons we learn in the journey helps us bring things like cheap solar lights and ovens to the other 6 billion.

andyt andyt:

Not breeding would be the biggest thing we could do, and even then it's probably too late.

We don't have 5 or 6 kids that we can't feed because 4 or 5 of them will die from disease anyway before adulthood.

[Lemmy]

Jonny_C Jonny_C:

Suzuki may well follow strategies that reduce his consumption, like I do, but I'll bet if we total up Suzuki's impact on the environment, energy consumption, and carbon footprint, I'm an order of magnitude "greener" than he is. And not totally by economic constraint but by choice as well.

But if we're measuring Suzuki's total impact on the environment, we need to include the impact his message has had on others. How many of our nation-wide strategies (recycling, for example) owe their introduction to the work of people like Suzuki? Suzuki could act, personally, as the least green person on the planet and his NET contribution to conservation and environmentalism would still be HUGELY positive.

Jonny_C Jonny_C:

Anyone who owns multiple large homes and lives his lifestyle can't possibly be as environmentally frugal as I am.

But those people may contribute in other ways. Education, for example.

Jonny_C Jonny_C:

A well-heeled celebrity like Suzuki doesn't get a free pass on his impact just because he's got a lot of money to spend, not when he preaches restraint. That's his Achilles heel.

That's a ridiculous standard to hold anyone to. Suzuki's done more than any Canadian to promote conservation. I have a friend who's a fat, smoking, drinking family doctor. He's a great doctor. His net impact on health in my community has been tremendous, even if he's not doing himself any favours with his own lifestyle. That doesn't lessen his overall impact on community health very much.

[ShepherdsDog]

I like Mel Gibson's movies....however that doesn't mean that I don't think he's a foaming at the mouth anti-Semite.

[DrCaleb]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

I like Mel Gibson's movies....however that doesn't mean that I don't think he's a foaming at the mouth anti-Semite.

If Mel Gibson had been warning us that pollution was destroying our planet for 30 years, how does revelations about his anti-semitism change that fact?

It's not about Suzuki, it's about a better environment.

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Hmmm, I wonder if people on chat boards are more right wing or people who respond to media surveys are more left.

Not hardly.

What it means is more people who do surveys are low-information people, and there's tons of video proof of that, like for example the episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit where they got similar Nimrodic Maroons ( ) to sign a petition saying we needed to ban H2O.

People on political chat boards are, at least in most cases, at least a bit better informed - although yeah, some of them would do well on Penn and Teller.

[Lemmy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

People on political chat boards are, at least in most cases, at least a bit better informed

Being "better" informed isn't a good thing when also misinformed. Better to be ignorant than wrong.