[Freakinoldguy]

$1:

quote="DerbyX"]
America came into existence by using force to overthrow the legal rulers.

Their democracy and subsequent legitamacy as a country can be questioned as much as castros.

Regardless, Cubas a friend and in need of aid. Thats all that matters.

Your kidding...........right. Trying to equate the American war of independance with the Cuban communist revolution is a little far fetched.

The only things in common were that both promised a better way of life and the ability to choose their own government. The Americans got the promise kept, the Cubans got, like every other country turned communist, a dictatorship, poverty, isolation, inferior quality of life and captivity in their own country. If that seems equal to you, I'd say you've got some issues.

You may still believe and love the ideals of Castro's communism, but the reality is that the average Cuban's been screwed over for more than 50 years by this so called socialist Utopia.

I'd like nothing more than to see that power hungry incestous dictorial regieme toppled and the democracy that was promised, given to the people of Cuba, but so long as there are people like you, who remain on the outside looking in from freedom, praising their corrupt form of Government, it'll probably be a long time before Cuba ever sees actual freedom.

[DerbyX]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

$1:

quote="DerbyX"]
America came into existence by using force to overthrow the legal rulers.

Their democracy and subsequent legitamacy as a country can be questioned as much as castros.

Regardless, Cubas a friend and in need of aid. Thats all that matters.

Your kidding...........right. Trying to equate the American war of independance with the Cuban communist revolution is a little far fetched.

The only things in common were that both promised a better way of life and the ability to choose their own government. The Americans got the promise kept, the Cubans got, like every other country turned communist, a dictatorship, poverty, isolation, inferior quality of life and captivity in their own country. If that seems equal to you, I'd say you've got some issues.

You may still believe and love the ideals of Castro's communism, but the reality is that the average Cuban's been screwed over for more than 50 years by this so called socialist Utopia.

I'd like nothing more than to see that power hungry incestous dictorial regieme toppled and the democracy that was promised, given to the people of Cuba, but so long as there are people like you, who remain on the outside looking in from freedom, praising their corrupt form of Government, it'll probably be a long time before Cuba ever sees actual freedom.

I simply showed that both countries used violence to achieve their goals.

As for the rest well lets just say that the natives feel differently and that things might be judged differently if the war of independance happened 50 years ago.

How many innocent people died after 1776? People the US made war on?

Hoe about the victims of Canada? Boer war ring a bell?

This crap about west/christian = good and everyone else = bad is just bollocks.

[sandorski]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

$1:

quote="DerbyX"]
America came into existence by using force to overthrow the legal rulers.

Their democracy and subsequent legitamacy as a country can be questioned as much as castros.

Regardless, Cubas a friend and in need of aid. Thats all that matters.

Your kidding...........right. Trying to equate the American war of independance with the Cuban communist revolution is a little far fetched.

The only things in common were that both promised a better way of life and the ability to choose their own government. The Americans got the promise kept, the Cubans got, like every other country turned communist, a dictatorship, poverty, isolation, inferior quality of life and captivity in their own country. If that seems equal to you, I'd say you've got some issues.

You may still believe and love the ideals of Castro's communism, but the reality is that the average Cuban's been screwed over for more than 50 years by this so called socialist Utopia.

I'd like nothing more than to see that power hungry incestous dictorial regieme toppled and the democracy that was promised, given to the people of Cuba, but so long as there are people like you, who remain on the outside looking in from freedom, praising their corrupt form of Government, it'll probably be a long time before Cuba ever sees actual freedom.

Bolded: Not really. Certainly the consequence for Cuba is not as beneficial, but the desire for self determination and breaking the shackles of Foreign control is very similar.

[saturn_656]

DerbyX DerbyX:

1) It means that the US terror list is BS and that nations can sort their shit out on their own.

The discussion was about Cuba, how the hell did we get on the "US terror list and how it is crap" line of conversation?

DerbyX DerbyX:

2) You should. You can't bitch about nation friends without recognizing the fact that the US cozies up to bad guys when it suits their purpose thereby negating any US-good cannection.

The subject was Canadian relations with Cuba. Nothing at all to do with the United States. I can bitch about Canada's friends all I want and meanwhile completely ignore what the US does, because I am not American and really could care less on who THEY cozy up to.

DerbyX DerbyX:

3) You are wrong. Thats entirely why the UN was developed post WW2. The US invaded actually using a UN pretense. They invaded. They murder innocent people. They are no different then those that flew planes into the towers because bombing buildings is no different. The US became what they opposed.

'nuff said.

I'm going to stop banging my head against this particular wall because I think you simply refuse to acknowledge that something can be immoral and wrong without being ILLEGAL.

DerbyX DerbyX:

4) It means they are just a little bit better then holier than thou coutries that invade and kill innocent people.

I'm sure if the Castro regime had the power to abuse people outside of their borders they would do so. What stops them is a lack of power, not some sort of moral superiority.

DerbyX DerbyX:

5) Start realizing that western intererence for the last 100 years is the entire source of strife in the middle east.

Middle Eastern nations were killing and invading each other long before the "West" showed up Derby. When the "West" did arrive they were just another player in the game, a powerful one, but still a player. Not the source of all misery, the cause of all woe.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

I'm sure if the Castro regime had the power to abuse people outside of their borders they would do so. What stops them is a lack of power, not some sort of moral superiority.

Cuban military 'advisors' were involved/interfering in plenty of places in Africa (Angola being a prime example), Central and South America before their Soviet patrons went belly up. Weren't a few of them shot in Grenada? Bart could likely comment on this matter better.

[ziggy]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

So do you actually know anything first hand? Or did your sister's friend's mother see a show and tell you how bad Cuba is?

Cuba is nothing like the USA or Canada, it is a poor developing country. They have been under embargo from the biggest economy in the world but still manage to provide a decent standard of living to most citizens.

They still manage to have a very good health care system, amongst other things.

I have Cuban friends in Cuba and in Florida. They may have certian ideological differences but one thing is clear they are all proud to be cuban and all agree that Cuba would have been much better off if the Americnas were not so busy trying to keep them poor.

I was involved with a group in Calgary for 3 years and all they do is try and help them immigrate here.Not many are successfull.I'll post some pics of Cuba's finer hospitals for you later allthough they have been posted here allready.

[ManifestDestiny]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

So do you actually know anything first hand? Or did your sister's friend's mother see a show and tell you how bad Cuba is?

Cuba is nothing like the USA or Canada, it is a poor developing country. They have been under embargo from the biggest economy in the world but still manage to provide a decent standard of living to most citizens.

They still manage to have a very good health care system, amongst other things.

I have Cuban friends in Cuba and in Florida. They may have certian ideological differences but one thing is clear they are all proud to be cuban and all agree that Cuba would have been much better off if the Americnas were not so busy trying to keep them poor.

Cuba was once a US territory annexed after the Spainish American war. Along with Puerto Rico for example.

The latter is still a US territory, Who do you think is better off Cuba or Peurto Rico?


But of course you also think the American middle class is the most opressed society in the world

[Wada]

At the time Cuba was an American Territory was it better off than it is now?

[OPP]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

$1:

quote="DerbyX"]
America came into existence by using force to overthrow the legal rulers.

Their democracy and subsequent legitamacy as a country can be questioned as much as castros.

Regardless, Cubas a friend and in need of aid. Thats all that matters.

Your kidding...........right. Trying to equate the American war of independance with the Cuban communist revolution is a little far fetched.

The only things in common were that both promised a better way of life and the ability to choose their own government. The Americans got the promise kept, the Cubans got, like every other country turned communist, a dictatorship, poverty, isolation, inferior quality of life and captivity in their own country. If that seems equal to you, I'd say you've got some issues.

You may still believe and love the ideals of Castro's communism, but the reality is that the average Cuban's been screwed over for more than 50 years by this so called socialist Utopia.

I'd like nothing more than to see that power hungry incestous dictorial regieme toppled and the democracy that was promised, given to the people of Cuba, but so long as there are people like you, who remain on the outside looking in from freedom, praising their corrupt form of Government, it'll probably be a long time before Cuba ever sees actual freedom.

Cuba's doing better than they ever would with a pro-american government even if it did mean extensive sanctions from the U.S.
Whoring out to the U.S hasn't worked out for Colombia or any other central or south american nation so your point is moot. The only way for these poor countries to stay out of the clutches of the greedy american empire is to cut the chord completely.

[ziggy]

The myth about Cuban healthcare.http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm

and no ambulancia!

[ziggy]

There's health care for tourists and theres health care for locals.And yes,those are flys.

[OPP]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

$1:

I'm sure if the Castro regime had the power to abuse people outside of their borders they would do so. What stops them is a lack of power, not some sort of moral superiority.

Cuban military 'advisors' were involved/interfering in plenty of places in Africa (Angola being a prime example), Central and South America before their Soviet patrons went belly up. Weren't a few of them shot in Grenada? Bart could likely comment on this matter better.

This was Che Guevara trying to spread the revolution. Cuba (Castro) distansed themselfs from Che during this.

[kenmore]

As with every communist country or third world country the general population is poor.. have very little.. and exist on the left overs.. I go to Cuba twice a year and I take clothing and shoes every time I go.. the resorts are good though.

[ManifestDestiny]

OPP OPP:

Cuba's doing better than they ever would with a pro-american government even if it did mean extensive sanctions from the U.S.
Whoring out to the U.S hasn't worked out for Colombia or any other central or south american nation so your point is moot. The only way for these poor countries to stay out of the clutches of the greedy american empire is to cut the chord completely.

I will say it again Cuba and puerto rico both were anexxed at the same time Cuba then chose self governace. Puerto rico chose to Remain a Territory of the USA.


WHO DO YOU THINK IS BETTER OFF?????

And WADA yes when Cuba was a US territory it was better off

[Reverend Blair]

When Cuba was a US territory, the Americans were using it as a whorehouse/gambling den. Poverty meant going hungry, starving.

Of course you think food shortages and people going hungry are funny things, don't you Manifest?