[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

His car has certainly been customized. There's no way he would legally allowed to turn the steering wheel with his legs that I can see, so he must use pedals or something to steer. Wonder how he can steer and give gas or brake at the same time? How does he activate his turn signals. Etc - but presumably that's all been worked out. Good point tho about his license - they must have had a few questions when he walked in the first time. You'd think that would include how he puts on his seatbelt, or has an exemption. Should be easy for him to get an exemption and be compliant.

He drives the truck with his feet. Foot controls for steering aren't available like they are for people with no legs or people with no leg movement. You can get hand controls to push the pedals but not anything to help steer with your feet.

Too much attention on the seatbelt and not enough on attention on a guy driving a pickup truck with his toes.

[GeeGeeMcFee]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Well, if he can open a truck, start it up and drive it, maybe he can wear a seat belt too? If he can't then he needs a doctors note to say he is exempt. I think maybe there is a bit more to this story.

Ya, you are correct. I would not expect a Saskatoon city cop to deduce that this man actually has no arms. They all would definitely need a professional to point it out.

How about we take away hid DL and you foot the bill for his care. Sounds fair to me.

[GeeGeeMcFee]

There was a video on Global. He has a steering system for his left foot and the pedals on the right like normal. All he has to do is talk to the prosecutor and reasonable heads will prevail. Having no arms is a lawful excuse for not wearing a seatbelt.

[Brenda]

GeeGeeMcFee GeeGeeMcFee:

There was a video on Global. He has a steering system for his left foot and the pedals on the right like normal. All he has to do is talk to the prosecutor and reasonable heads will prevail. Having no arms is a lawful excuse for not wearing a seatbelt.

IF it is on your license. Other than that, not so much. 28 years and still nothing on your license, or nothing made to get it done?
I read he has a mechanic shop himself? They are inventive.

[EyeBrock]

GeeGeeMcFee GeeGeeMcFee:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Well, if he can open a truck, start it up and drive it, maybe he can wear a seat belt too? If he can't then he needs a doctors note to say he is exempt. I think maybe there is a bit more to this story.

Ya, you are correct. I would not expect a Saskatoon city cop to deduce that this man actually has no arms. They all would definitely need a professional to point it out.

How about we take away hid DL and you foot the bill for his care. Sounds fair to me.

Debate not an option with you eh? Try looking past the obvious to see beyond the journo's headline.

[GeeGeeMcFee]

Obvious: The man has no arms and cannot put on a regular seatbelt

Obvious: The law allows us "reasonable excuse"

Obvious: Not having arms is a reasonable excuse as far as I am concerned

Obvious: A cop cannot empathize with the amount of pure physical and emotional strength it must take to get up and lead the most regular life you can minus 10 fingers, two elbows and two arms.

Obvious: When a cop says "you people" he should stop and think before continuing with that sentence.

Where is the debate?

[Brenda]

GeeGeeMcFee GeeGeeMcFee:

Obvious: The man has no arms and cannot put on a regular seatbelt

OBVIOUSLY, the man has no arms, so cannot reach the steering wheel, let alone turn it.

$1:

Obvious: The law allows us "reasonable excuse"

Obvious: Not having arms is a reasonable excuse as far as I am concerned

Obvious: A cop cannot empathize with the amount of pure physical and emotional strength it must take to get up and lead the most regular life you can minus 10 fingers, two elbows and two arms.

Obvious: When a cop says "you people" he should stop and think before continuing with that sentence.

Where is the debate?

See above.

If you can customize your car(s, I doubt he has been driving the same car for 28 years, WITHOUT a note on his license. Weird, I do for my glasses...) so that you can drive and steer them without arms, then for sure you can customize the seat belt. Driving without one is illegal. If you can not put on your seat belt for what ever reason, you are not supposed to be driving that car.

That you can't comprehend that...

[GeeGeeMcFee]

Just like speeding, running a red light or even killing an intruder (homicide) is legal when you have a lawful excuse.

The comprehension is seeing more than the black and white of the law, but the grey areas in between.

Put your hands in your pockets from the moment you wake up till the moment you go to sleep at night. Try eating, drinking, pooping, dressing, showering, jerking off, doing your make-up, reading the paper and getting your mail.

This guy has enough to deal with. IMHO he does not need a seatbelt. He's lucky enough to do what he can do.

[OnTheIce]

Obvious: We shouldn't allow people to drive with their feet.

[Brenda]

GeeGeeMcFee GeeGeeMcFee:

Just like speeding, running a red light or even killing an intruder (homicide) is legal when you have a lawful excuse.

The comprehension is seeing more than the black and white of the law, but the grey areas in between.

Put your hands in your pockets from the moment you wake up till the moment you go to sleep at night. Try eating, drinking, pooping, dressing, showering, jerking off, doing your make-up, reading the paper and getting your mail.

This guy has enough to deal with. IMHO he does not need a seatbelt. He's lucky enough to do what he can do.

If he does not need a seat belt, no one does.

What makes a disabled person different than any other person? Pity?
Not buying it.

[QBall]

Saturn and Toyota used to have models with automatic seat belts that would slide the shoulder belt in place when the car door was closed and move it out of the way when the door was open. This crappy video at least shows how it works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV-tSnrF8ks

You had to connect the lap belt manually, but people became lazy and didn't bother with the lap belt therefore automatic seat belts were discontinued. However if the guy's car could be fitted with pedals to steer a car I don't see why they couldn't use old technology and outfit the car with automatic shoulder belts. Might not have the lap belt portion but it's light years better than nothing.

[Jughead]

Brenda Brenda:

If he does not need a seat belt, no one does.

What makes a disabled person different than any other person? Pity?
Not buying it.

My very first vehicle which I owned was an old 1965 F-100 pickup truck. I had purchased it in 1986, fixed it up and owned it for 7 years before the engine gave out. The truck did not come equipped with seat belts, and I was indeed pulled over several times for not having the seat belt on. Once the officer realized that the truck never had seat belts, I was cleared to go, with no ticket.

So some of us can legally drive with no seat belts even in jurisdictions where it is a primary offense.

[Brenda]

Jughead Jughead:

Brenda Brenda:

If he does not need a seat belt, no one does.

What makes a disabled person different than any other person? Pity?
Not buying it.

My very first vehicle which I owned was an old 1965 F-100 pickup truck. I had purchased it in 1986, fixed it up and owned it for 7 years before the engine gave out. The truck did not come equipped with seat belts, and I was indeed pulled over several times for not having the seat belt on. Once the officer realized that the truck never had seat belts, I was cleared to go, with no ticket.

So some of us can legally drive with no seat belts even in jurisdictions where it is a primary offense.

That's an old timer. Whole different ballgame.

[GeeGeeMcFee]

Brenda Brenda:

If he does not need a seat belt, no one does.

What makes a disabled person different than any other person? Pity?
Not buying it.

Just like the 12 empty handicap parking spots in front of the grocery...they are there because smart, compassionate people who make up most of the population have agreed that providing those spots for someone rolling out of their van to get groceries is way, way less expensive than keeping perfectly capable people dependent on others.

You ever been to a kindergarten class? They make these little kids toilets for those little wee students to accommodate them. Not because they are different or special, because it makes sense. If you are jealous that some guy with no arms gets to drive without a seatbelt, chop your fucking arms off and I'll pay your ticket.

And if it still makes you upset that some folks got it easy cause they got no arms, rest easy knowing your discomfort makes me intensely happy.

[Brenda]

GeeGeeMcFee GeeGeeMcFee:

Brenda Brenda:

If he does not need a seat belt, no one does.

What makes a disabled person different than any other person? Pity?
Not buying it.

Just like the 12 empty handicap parking spots in front of the grocery...they are there because smart, compassionate people who make up most of the population have agreed that providing those spots for someone rolling out of their van to get groceries is way, way less expensive than keeping perfectly capable people dependent on others.

What do handicapped spots, pregnant lady spots and people with kids spots in a parking lot have to do with safety?

$1:

You ever been to a kindergarten class? They make these little kids toilets for those little wee students to accommodate them. Not because they are different or special, because it makes sense. If you are jealous that some guy with no arms gets to drive without a seatbelt, chop your fucking arms off and I'll pay your ticket.

They acomodate and customize cars for handicapped people too. What is his excuse?
Jealous because he WANTS to drive without a seat belt??? I have no clue what you are ranting about. I never drive without my seat belt, and I wouldn't if I was allowed to either. It's my own safety.

$1:

And if it still makes you upset that some folks got it easy cause they got no arms, rest easy knowing your discomfort makes me intensely happy.

Wow. Your sense of ... what exactly? is amazing.
You just do not get the point, do you?