[llama66]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

Oil and gas make the world go around. Everything uses/is made by/contains fossil fuels. Anyone who thinks we can simply turn off the need for fossil fuels is living in an alternate reality based in fiction.

-J.

Your right, but everyone is talking about shutting down O&G for energy purposes, and having us us greener tech, like Solar, Wind, Nuclear, Tidal, Geo-Thermal, or Hydro.

People can can drive an EV and get from point A to B, it's not as sexy as your dad's 1967 corvette, but this is the new reality.

It's time to innovate, come up with alternatives for our O&G addiction or the next 40 years is going to suck for us. I say us, because conceivably you could still be alive to see what the selfishness of those resistant to change will bring.

This is no different than when the Industrial Revolution began, or the advent of the Internal Combustion Engine vehicles started to surpass horses.

We are an adaptable species, but we cannot adapt to a collapse of the biosphere.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

I'm a big fan of Nuclear energy, and think it should take precedent over any other source of power (the exception being solar, as long as we don't convert vast swaths of useable land into solar panel farms).

That being said, we simply cannot dispense with fossil fuels. Not now, not in 100 years time due to all it's applications. I've also said on many occasions that I don't have any confidence in EVs, and I still don't.

If companies want to build and sell EVs, that's fine. What's not fine is the government trying to force everyone to have them at some point. I don't want one, don't even like looking at them for a length of time.

Innovation shouldn't come at the expense of choice or other options. Also, these so-called 'leaders' are hell-bent on this nonsense while we still have homeless/veterans sleeping on the streets, prices going up up up, ridiculous amounts of taxes, and little to no accountability of any kind.

Focus on solving the problems here at home first before trying to save the world from something you don't understand.

-J.

[Thanos]

I'm just going to sit back and watch what happens. For good or bad the momentum towards vastly reduced emissions within a decade is now unstoppable. Places like Alberta are as much, if not much more, victims of our own pigheaded stubbornness and belligerent intransigence that we are from any outside decisions or trends. The writing was on the wall for fucking decades and we deliberately chose to ignore it. That fault is ours. Not Trudeau's, not the UN, not Greta Thunberg, not anyone else. In a decade or so we'll be making money hand-over-fist from hydrogen extraction from sequestered CO2 and massive solar-panel farms will be everywhere. When that happens the question that should be asked, but won't be, is why we took so fucking long to do even the most sensible things to salvage our economy. And why we kept (and keep) listening & following the absolute worst & most reactionary of conservative politicians who thrive on predicting massive economic disaster if we move even slightly away from an obsolete economic method that has to come to an end.

So I'm just going to play spectator from now on. I don't have the money to make a personal impact on anything for either side. My greatest contribution will be in no longer supporting the sort of politics that are mired in the past and that refuse to change even in the looming face of their own destruction.

[llama66]

$1:

Focus on solving the problems here at home first before trying to save the world from something you don't understand.

What if the problems at home stem from problems affecting the world

[DrCaleb]

llama66 llama66:

$1:

Focus on solving the problems here at home first before trying to save the world from something you don't understand.

What if the problems at home stem from problems affecting the world

What if the solutions do too?

[raydan]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

llama66 llama66:

$1:

Focus on solving the problems here at home first before trying to save the world from something you don't understand.

What if the problems at home stem from problems affecting the world

What if the solutions do too?

I thought the correct argument was, "Why should we do something good when they aren't". Somebody's moving the goalposts again.

[DrCaleb]

[CDN_PATRIOT]

llama66 llama66:

What if the problems at home stem from problems affecting the world

Most of our home grown problems were around long before people starting screaming 'climate change' at the top of their lungs.



-J.

[DrCaleb]

Rrrrrrreally? Like the people in the north, who are seeing the land literally fall out under their feet?

https://theworld.org/stories/2018-10-22 ... -other-way

Like the homeless population of Litton BC? Like the people in the US South West who haven't seen a decent rain in years? That all started before the early 1900s?

[Thanos]

Bill nails the kidz of today - by and large they're the same addicted-to-capitalism-&-the-toys-it-makes and the exact same conspicuous-consumption-addled jerkoffs that everyone else who came before them was too.



The kids aren't alright. They never were, no matter what generation or era they belong to.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

Nail. On. The. Head. Thanos.


-J.

[DrCaleb]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

llama66 llama66:

What if the problems at home stem from problems affecting the world

Most of our home grown problems were around long before people starting screaming 'climate change' at the top of their lungs.



-J.

How about 1985? Was 1985 too early for the homegrown problems we are seeing?

[Tricks]

Kind of funny he mentions Mr beast, when he and Mark Rober have, between team trees and team seas, done more to better the environment than Maher's entire generation.

[Thanos]

Oh. For. Sure. Man.

[DrCaleb]

As countries and the private sector make climate pledges, this island nation fears for its future