sign. Where to start?
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Proof? or just wishful thinking.
Nope. The charges of being trigger happy are coming from the families of the civilians we kill. Its the reason they were all chanting "death to America". Its coming from the government as Karzai (you know, the guy we put in charge who was then "democratically" elected and who provides us with our legality for being there) himself voices complaint after complaint that NATO calls in airstrikes to readily and fires too quickly. It has been are repeated pattern in the war.
http://en.trend.az/regions/world/afghan ... 43268.htmlhttp://article.wn.com/view/2010/03/07/A ... omplaints/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_c ... present%29Karzai has repeated warned us about the consequences about this. I'm sure you give that warning all due attention but the fact is the complaints about trigger happy are coming from them, not me.
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Wrong again. I was there at the start and we were welcomed quite openly. More wishful thinking on your behalf with absolutely no shred of proof.
No proof other then the continued fact of people shooting at us.
Aside from the fact I was agreeing with somebody elses statement it is quite clear that the vast majority of them want nothing to do with us, Karzai, or the Taliban (at least all the tribal areas not dominated by the Pashtuns. If you know so much about the region at its politics you'd know where we are failing is in those areas we keep attempting to bring in a centralized government, assert our dominance, or quite frankly allow
the freaking Afghan police to operate. We were welcomed as liberators as much as the US was in Iraq. They will tolerate us as long as well allow them to do what they want which is entirely why we aren't doing a damn thing about the boy rapers, Karzais corruption, or any number of opium warlords despite our propaganda we do. We don't because we know our enemies will multiply and we'll end up fighting the whole country much like the USSR did.
They will smile to our face though and take our money (and give it to the Taliban) because they have to. The fact that just recently an infiltrator managed to kill 8 CIA operatives, an infiltrator who was no doubt accepting us with open arms suggests your assessment is at best niave and wrong.
No doubt you'll claim better knowledge then me but its amazing how you can claim that when you certainly won't accept that Karzai knows a hell of a lot more then you ever will which is entirely why he keeps making peace overtures to the Taliban, siding with his people when they launch complaints at us, and making nice with President Mahmoud (like hugging his buddy), and threatening to join the bloody Taliban if we don't smarten up. Think you understand the situation better then him.
Now I find your whole line of reasoning that they welcomed us when on the other threads you have frequently stated that its pretty much all muslims (of which the Afghans almost all are) who threaten the west with convert or die rhetoric and that they are all a threat. You agreed with Bart that even their moderates are terrorists in waiting and have claimed I am blind to the threat that
all muslims represent. Now you say he opposite. Which is it?
In fact Eyebrock is saying it too:
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This soundbite on his views of Afghans sums it up;
'Every mans hand is against the other, and all against the stranger."
Sounds like he agrees they all are against us.
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Most of "they" captured are not Afghani but foreign troops. So that would be wrong again, you're batting 1.00 today.
The unfortunately departed Akhenaten tried this line of reasoning with me and it didn't work then. We are the foreigners. The Taliban are made up pretty much mostly of Pashtuns who have an ancient claim in the whole region. In fact the whole area is dominated by tribal affiliations that predate modern national boundaries (establish over them not by them). They are exceedingly less foreign in any of those countries as we are in America. It is a false statement but for argument sake lets say I agree. It is a sick joke that NATO cobbles together a large number of countries to invade a nation who was not even responsible for a terrorist attack against a single nation then cries foul that they receive outside help. Please. We didn't get attacked yet we responded to help out our allies so they can do the same damn thing. In fact a good case can be made that any muslim anywhere is fighting a righteous fight since so many of us are trying very hard to claim that the war is against islam itself.
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Idiotic statement answered by hyperbole and outright bullshit. Still perfect Derby.
Funny that you aren't in the least concerned with people saying we should vapourize the entire area filled with people you say welcomed us with open arms.
2Cdo 2Cdo:
The bold could quite easily be applied to yourself in this thread with your postings of untruths, and whatever the Liberal party tells you to think of Afghanistan.
Ah, baseless partisanship rears its ugly head. I thought you had your finger on the pulse of the whole conflict? If you did then you would realize that my position is actually more in tune with the NDP and not the Liberals. In fact it was Dion who told Layton to shut up once when he called to bring the troops home and by every yardstick you can use to measure Harper, the Liberals have supported the mission from the git go.
CKA Uber 
