[raydan]

We can complain as much as we want about the money paid to CEOs, actors, musicians, atheletes and Snookie... but the bottom line is that we are the ones responsible for those salaries.

WE buy the products or services, watch the movies, buy the music, watch the games and actually pay good money to go listen to Snookie talk (if you can say that the noise she makes is actually talking).

[Yogi]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Yogi Yogi:

Spoken like someone who has absolutely no business experience, or sense of,and SFA for experience in the real world!

Is there some miracle nugget you have to enlighten me with or something?

Here ya go Sonny!

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I got a GREAT suggestion! Why don't you and andy invest a gazillion $$$ in a business? You can work your asses off for 22 hrs/day,7 days per week, take all the risk. Now, as your biz grows, exponentially, as I'm SURE it will, you can employ more and more, and even more people! The 'workers' wouldn't even think of unionizing,( but you will make them do so anyway,cuz ya never know!) cuz you guys gonna be payin them all looooads of $$$. On top of that of course, you'll be providing them with the most comprehensive benefits package, the likes of which WILL be the envy of every other worker in the country.
I'm sure you can find enough folks 'around here' to sit in on your Board of Directors, gratis, of course! Oh, and lest you think I would forget about the two Executives who took all the risk, invested so much time and $$$ setting up, and will continue in that vein, Um, I think maybe you's could each pay the other, oh, say, maybe $90.00/hr. ( no bonuses or perks for you as 'Your reward IS your life, and not in a dystopian sense!) I mean, like, you will START your untrained, unskilled illiterate, dope-smokin employees @ $90.00/hrWon't you??? Then, as you r biz grows, your wage will be the same as everyone elses cuz, the workers ARE the company!

'P.S. Please let me know via PM as to when you would be launching this venture as I would be most happy to be your 1st employee. On a side note, could I suggest that you 'set up shop[' in Hawaii, as I hear the weather is really nice most of the time.

[PluggyRug]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

They certainly wouldn't go without a fight, and sadly we're completely outgunned in both the political realm and the economic realm, because our opposition have merged their side and have taken for themselves 'exclusive political sway'. When we can't even discuss something like a union, we're prevented from even getting to the very basic steps that can give us enough real power to demand change in our world. There's more of us, but we unarmed (and unorganized). It really is too easy for them.

Thats it.....we all need guns and a corporal leader.

[Public_Domain]

[Yogi]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

DerbyX DerbyX:

See ya!

I'm not sticking around (good to see you though)

russia.tickets.asia.com

Drop us a line 'from time to time' eh. Let us know how life in Utopia is working out for ya!

[OnTheIce]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Athletes, Musicians, Actors... They are payed OBSCENE amounts and it should end so people who are actually interested in this stuff can do it.

I highly support being collectively angry at the whole situation

Consider the industries these athletes, actors and musicians indirectly influence.

Their impact is MASSIVE on the economy.

Consider an athlete for example, the amount of jobs that a sports team and sports league provides from concession jobs, marketing, hod dog vendors, restaurants, the list goes on.

It's funny that people would complain about athletes, who are probably the people that make what they should in comparison to their impact on their industry, complain they make too much....all while fighting for the same thing for "average" company workers.

I think it all comes down to jealousy.

[OnTheIce]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

andyt andyt:

And let's enact labor legislation that creates a level playing field between worker and company. And let's tax companies and their rich owners sufficiently on their profits.

Dumb.

CEO's and workers aren't the same, nor should they be treated the same. One is the boss, the other is the worker. No even playing field. Be happy you have a job and if you don't like it, find another.

Yea, let's tax the shit outta companies and drive them away.

Companies owe nothing to their workers but a pay check and a safe environment.

The same load of horseshit fed to the people since feudal times. Andyt might be asking for only a 'level playing field', but I'm more specifically asking for the entire dismantling of the present common workplace hierarchy in favour of a democratic and 100% worker-run workplace. Since it's run by workers, it'll run for the workers and their communities. The position of CEO is like that of King. "We need them!" Their position is redundant and wasteful, it can certainly be replaced.

If corporations run away, man, gosh, I don't know what we'd do. I suppose we'd grow grain, repair roads, build hospitals, and all the other crap we normally do because we're human beings with the ability and the need.

Companies exist because of their workers. The company owes the workers everything because the company is the workers. The position of CEO is a figment of the imagination, like the Prime Minister. It doesn't translate into the actual worth of their labour at all. They go to the meetings, but we go to the mines.

"Be happy you have a job" - No.

It'll suck when you wake up and reality smacks you in the face. Spoken like you've never been out of mom's basement.

[Yogi]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

andyt andyt:

And let's enact labor legislation that creates a level playing field between worker and company. And let's tax companies and their rich owners sufficiently on their profits.

Dumb.

CEO's and workers aren't the same, nor should they be treated the same. One is the boss, the other is the worker. No even playing field. Be happy you have a job and if you don't like it, find another.

Yea, let's tax the shit outta companies and drive them away.

Companies owe nothing to their workers but a pay check and a safe environment.

The same load of horseshit fed to the people since feudal times. Andyt might be asking for only a 'level playing field', but I'm more specifically asking for the entire dismantling of the present common workplace hierarchy in favour of a democratic and 100% worker-run workplace. Since it's run by workers, it'll run for the workers and their communities. The position of CEO is like that of King. "We need them!" Their position is redundant and wasteful, it can certainly be replaced.

If corporations run away, man, gosh, I don't know what we'd do. I suppose we'd grow grain, repair roads, build hospitals, and all the other crap we normally do because we're human beings with the ability and the need.

Companies exist because of their workers. The company owes the workers everything because the company is the workers. The position of CEO is a figment of the imagination, like the Prime Minister. It doesn't translate into the actual worth of their labour at all. They go to the meetings, but we go to the mines.

"Be happy you have a job" - No.

It'll suck when you wake up and reality smacks you in the face. Spoken like you've never been out of mom's basement.[/quote]


He hasn't been. At least not during the daytime!

[martin14]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Dumb.

CEO's and workers aren't the same, nor should they be treated the same. One is the boss, the other is the worker. No even playing field. Be happy you have a job and if you don't like it, find another.

Yea, let's tax the shit outta companies and drive them away.

Companies owe nothing to their workers but a pay check and a safe environment.

The same load of horseshit fed to the people since feudal times. Andyt might be asking for only a 'level playing field', but I'm more specifically asking for the entire dismantling of the present common workplace hierarchy in favour of a democratic and 100% worker-run workplace. Since it's run by workers, it'll run for the workers and their communities. The position of CEO is like that of King. "We need them!" Their position is redundant and wasteful, it can certainly be replaced.

If corporations run away, man, gosh, I don't know what we'd do. I suppose we'd grow grain, repair roads, build hospitals, and all the other crap we normally do because we're human beings with the ability and the need.

Companies exist because of their workers. The company owes the workers everything because the company is the workers. The position of CEO is a figment of the imagination, like the Prime Minister. It doesn't translate into the actual worth of their labour at all. They go to the meetings, but we go to the mines.

"Be happy you have a job" - No.

It'll suck when you wake up and reality smacks you in the face. Spoken like you've never been out of mom's basement.

and now it looks like he is doing more drugs than usual.

[Public_Domain]

[Thanos]

Hey, I'm on your side. The best years of my life were spent in my mom's basement. Life was good for me back then.

[Zipperfish]

I find that Canada's more socialized system--that makes it more difficult to become hyper-wealthy--has served us well. The price we pay is that we are, on average, not as wealthy as Americans. But there's more to life than money, and it's not like we're a lot poorer. A matter of a few degrees really.

I'm not sure how far it'll go in the US. Not too much further, I suspect, based on Churchill's adage (something like "you can always count on the Americans to do the right thing--after they've exhausted all other options). If they do manage to completely dismantle the entitlement programs and get rid of the unions, I don't see any kind of Randian utopia. I think history bears me out on that one.

[Proculation]

andyt andyt:

raydan raydan:

Big businesses today are like psychopaths, that is, they have absolutely no empathy towards others.

Here you go, charge as much as you can for your products or services and make as much money as you possibly can without any moral obligations. Pay as little taxes as you can, your employes the lowest possible salary and as little perks as you can. Of course, you reason you do this is so that you can pay out high dividends and raise the value of your stocks. This, so that the rich shareholders can get richer...
and I forgot, pay out very large salaries to a select few and give them big bonuses...
and complain to gouvernment for handouts whenever possible.

That's what business is - a psychopathic institution with no empathy. It's not supposed to be any different. But us, supposedly sane, people have to restrain business from causing harm.

The problem isn't business, it's not a human entity. It's the people behind business who have become too psychopathic. They've lost all sense of community and are just out for themselves. If we don't find a way to also restrain them, we are going to be in big trouble

What's the problem with that ? I live for myself, not for the others. I'm pretty sure i'm the same category than 90% of the people.

[andyt]

Proculation Proculation:

andyt andyt:

raydan raydan:

Big businesses today are like psychopaths, that is, they have absolutely no empathy towards others.

Here you go, charge as much as you can for your products or services and make as much money as you possibly can without any moral obligations. Pay as little taxes as you can, your employes the lowest possible salary and as little perks as you can. Of course, you reason you do this is so that you can pay out high dividends and raise the value of your stocks. This, so that the rich shareholders can get richer...
and I forgot, pay out very large salaries to a select few and give them big bonuses...
and complain to gouvernment for handouts whenever possible.

That's what business is - a psychopathic institution with no empathy. It's not supposed to be any different. But us, supposedly sane, people have to restrain business from causing harm.

The problem isn't business, it's not a human entity. It's the people behind business who have become too psychopathic. They've lost all sense of community and are just out for themselves. If we don't find a way to also restrain them, we are going to be in big trouble

What's the problem with that ? I live for myself, not for the others. I'm pretty sure i'm the same category than 90% of the people.

Sounds sad to me. Most people at least live for family and friends, not only themselves. And most people also seem to have a sense of community, recognize that they live and interdependent life with others. If you really don't do that, it certainly sounds sad, but also kinda scary. But I think you're just bullshitting here, doubt if you really just live out for yourself. Either bullshitting me or yourself of both.