[Lemmy]

Thanos Thanos:

So to feel righteous you'd lay the hammer to the engine that now propels half of the Canadian economy? Nice one.

Yes. ABSOLUTELY. On the same grounds as I would outlaw the child pornography industry, were IT legal enterprise and "the engine that propelled the Canadian economy."

[Thanos]

That comparison is ridiculous, not to mention completely odious. Not that I have much respect left for Ezra Levant, but he 100% right when he says sentiments like yours really mean that every other industry in the country is clearly going to get a pass on all their sins while the main employer in Alberta gets scalped and raped.

Get back to me if you're going to include telling the Maritimers that they'll never be allowed to fish again, or BC that all logging activities are going to be put to a permanent halt, or that every single manufacturing complex with a smokestack in Ontario is going to be either demolished or turned into some sort of environmentalist versions of the Holocaust museums. You're normally a lot more sensible than this, dude, but on this one here you're totally out to fucking lunch.

[Lemmy]

I can appreciate your position. I think you're normally sensible, while being totally out to fucking lunch on a few issues, also.

[ASLplease]

Lemmy Lemmy:

And if I were in charge, we wouldn't be selling any oil to anyone. I'd shut down the oil-sands in five seconds.

very altruistic response. not very practical. What part of the country are you from?

[Canadian_Mind]

Thanos Thanos:

^
None of these Chinese flaws apparently bother too many Canadians when they do their Christmas shopping at WalMart. Or when they go to buy a new 'North American built' automobile which is increasingly full of Made-In-China components. So why should the oil industry (i.e. *cough*cough*Alberta*cough*cough*) be held out as the sacrificial economic platform upon which we finally make a very late, and totally hypocritical, moral stand?

It's one of the reasons why I'm loyal to Ford. The most "Made in NA" parts. The rest are from Japan. And I hate Voldemart.

Sometimes it's hard to vote with your wallet when there is no alternative to the made in China product though.

Lemmy - I wouldn't shut down the oil sands, but I wouldn't produce more than 2-3 times what we need as a nation. Make it last so when it is selling for 1000 a barrel in 15 years we will be the ones getting rich selling instead of one of the ones going poor buying.

[Bodah]

Lemmy Lemmy:

And if I were in charge, we wouldn't be selling any oil to anyone. I'd shut down the oil-sands in five seconds.

Why ?

[Lemmy]

Because: 1. the oil industry and its corporations are a dirty whore house that should be exterminated; 2. extracting oil from the sands is, with current technology, an environmental disaster; and 3. I don't give a fuck if America and China freeze. Oil is a dwindling resource and it might be in our long-term national security interests to leave it where it is for the time being.

[Bodah]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Because: 1. the oil industry and its corporations are a dirty whore house that should be exterminated

Sorry, you calling them pimps doesn't help me seeing your point of view as to why I should agree with you in shutting them down in a second.

Lemmy Lemmy:

2. extracting oil from the sands is, with current technology, an environmental disaster;

You're right it's not perfect and always more can be done. But there has been some strides in the past few years that have significantly reduced pollution to the environment. And if you compare it to the other major oil producing countries around the world. Saudi Arabia, Nigeria , Sudan.

That puts us in the number one spot when it comes to caring the most about the environment.

We're stuck with oil until the next best thing comes along to replace it.

Lemmy Lemmy:

I don't give a fuck if America and China freeze. Oil is a dwindling resource and it might be in our long-term national security interests to leave it where it is for the time being.

You should give a fuck if any of those countries collapses since it would no doubt affect us. Long term security interests ??? It's currently has a very large role in economically keeping our country afloat as it is !

Oil isn't disapearing anytime soon not in our lifetimes .

[Unsound]

Bodah Bodah:

Lemmy Lemmy:

Because: 1. the oil industry and its corporations are a dirty whore house that should be exterminated

Sorry, you calling them pimps doesn't help me seeing your point of view as to why I should agree with you in shutting them down in a second.

Lemmy Lemmy:

2. extracting oil from the sands is, with current technology, an environmental disaster;

You're right it's not perfect and always more can be done. But there has been some strides in the past few years that have significantly reduced pollution to the environment. And if you compare it to the other major oil producing countries around the world. Saudi Arabia, Nigeria , Sudan.

That puts us in the number one spot when it comes to caring the most about the environment.

We're stuck with oil until the next best thing comes along to replace it.

Lemmy Lemmy:

I don't give a fuck if America and China freeze. Oil is a dwindling resource and it might be in our long-term national security interests to leave it where it is for the time being.

You should give a fuck if any of those countries collapses since it would no doubt affect us. Long term security interests ??? It's currently has a very large role in economically keeping our country afloat as it is !

Oil isn't disapearing anytime soon not in our lifetimes .

+1 if I could.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Because: 1. the oil industry and its corporations are a dirty whore house that should be exterminated; 2. extracting oil from the sands is, with current technology, an environmental disaster; and 3. I don't give a fuck if America and China freeze. Oil is a dwindling resource and it might be in our long-term national security interests to leave it where it is for the time being.

The only real argument I have with that is number 2. ANY resource extracting and refining operation is an environmental disaster.
Oh and Fuck Bill Maher. It's pretty easy to jump on the soapbox when your home, car and everything else isn't tied to an oil based paycheque.
Does Bill drive a car? Then fuck him. Does Bill heat his home? Then fuck him. Does Bill take hot showers? Then fuck him. Does Bill fly? Then fuck him. And Bill is on TV, a major industry that could not exist in its present state without..you guessed it, oil.
So Bill fucking Maher can take a flying fuck at the moon. But he better use solar power to do it.

[Lemmy]

Bodah Bodah:

Lemmy Lemmy:

Because: 1. the oil industry and its corporations are a dirty whore house that should be exterminated

Sorry, you calling them pimps doesn't help me seeing your point of view as to why I should agree with you in shutting them down in a second.

Our use of oil is a global catastrophe. How about Canada being a global leader in alternative energy? How about some 21st century thinking?

Bodah Bodah:

Lemmy Lemmy:

2. extracting oil from the sands is, with current technology, an environmental disaster;

You're right it's not perfect and always more can be done. But there has been some strides in the past few years that have significantly reduced pollution to the environment. And if you compare it to the other major oil producing countries around the world. Saudi Arabia, Nigeria , Sudan. That puts us in the number one spot when it comes to caring the most about the environment.

Good points. But being the least serious offender in a dirty business doesn't warrant praise. I don't want Canada to be the "least corrupt car salesman". What would merit praise would be global leadership in alternative energy.

Bodah Bodah:

We're stuck with oil until the next best thing comes along to replace it.

We're only "stuck with oil" because we haven't the political will to tell the dirty oil compnanies to fuck their hats. The technology is there. The time is now.

Bodah Bodah:

Lemmy Lemmy:

I don't give a fuck if America and China freeze. Oil is a dwindling resource and it might be in our long-term national security interests to leave it where it is for the time being.

You should give a fuck if any of those countries collapses since it would no doubt affect us. Long term security interests ??? It's currently has a very large role in economically keeping our country afloat as it is! Oil isn't disapearing anytime soon not in our lifetimes .

Our long term interests would be better served by embracing alternative energies, becoming a global leader in those technologies, and hanging on to our oil reserves for when global supply becomes tight and the technology exists to safely extract it.

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

The only real argument I have with that is number 2. ANY resource extracting and refining operation is an environmental disaster.

That's still the "Two wrongs make a right" argument. While any resource extraction may be an environmental issue, globally, oil extraction and oil usage is FAR and AWAY the worst.

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Oh and Fuck Bill Maher.

Bill Maher is a comedian. Comedians aren't to be taken seriously. But the general idea that oil is a resource our planet must move away from has merit on multiple levels.

Good points, both of you.

[Zipperfish]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

China is fine as long as they keep working for a dime and hour.

Yes, a dime and hour wages when it is supposed to be a "workers state".

I wonder if the subject of labour unions ever comes up in the People's Rupublic? It sounds like they need one.

Well, that's kind of what communism is--one big union to which everyone belongs. Doesn't do much for them though. In my opinion, labour unions here should be organizing over there. That would be revenge for a communist dictatorship trying to play the capitalist over here.

[Zipperfish]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Lemmy - I wouldn't shut down the oil sands, but I wouldn't produce more than 2-3 times what we need as a nation. Make it last so when it is selling for 1000 a barrel in 15 years we will be the ones getting rich selling instead of one of the ones going poor buying.

That's what I would do as well. Ratchet back production to limit environmental damage and enhance sustainability. Also, I'd tax the firms so they're paying what other industrial sectors pay. I'd also build a nuclear power plant to provide energy to process the oil.

[ASLplease]

Lemmy Lemmy:

...a dirty whore house that should be exterminated;

Please seek psychiatric help. Your values are right up there with many notorious serial killers.

[ASLplease]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

So Bill fucking Maher can take a flying fuck at the moon.

I bet it doesnt surprise you that he supports PETA, too.