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<strong>Title: </strong> <a href="/link.php?id=28480" target="_blank">Canadian military donates old C7 rifles to Afghan National Army</a> (click to view)

<strong>Category:</strong> <a href="/news/topic/13-military" target="_blank">Military</a>
<strong>Posted By: </strong> <a href="/modules.php?name=Your_Account&op=userinfo&username=Hyack" target="_blank">Hyack</a>
<strong>Date: </strong> 2007-12-23 16:05:07
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[Guest]

It's things like this that will let us leave earlier rather than later. I say donate/buy 25,000 not 2,500. But it's a good start!

[sasquatch2]

I have several comments:

The AKM's are inferior to M16/C7s anyhoo. They lack range and accuracy. They never really were ever reliable and have a short life.....cheap crap....as a local gun dealer commented about 7.62/39..."cheap ammo for cheap guns."

Thank's to years of neglect, when Canada first deployed to Afghanistan the CFs were short of C7's to arm the deployed troops and stripped the militia of their C7 inventory......leaving the militia training with sticks. The lads in Kitchener couldn't crank out new C7's fast enough.....sounds like they caught up.

[SprCForr]

Where did you hear that?

[sasquatch2]

From the militia guys hereabout hereabouts complaining bitterly about loosing their C7's and having to maneuver with sticks. I did some consulting for Excello----

[SprCForr]

I think they're feeding you a line of BS.

The CF has more than adequate amounts of C7's. There's no need for a Reserve unit to lose weapons to a deploying Regular unit simply because the Regular unit has their own. The personal weapons in theatre are the troops regular personal weapon from here in Canada. They brought them there, they'll bring them home when they come home.

[SigPig]

now correct me if im wrong but doesnt mean surplus mean that they have reached the end of their effective service life for us? (i read somewhere that is about 20000 rounds till a 7 is finished). and doesnt that mean that the ANA is just getting a bunch of rifles that may or may not work better than their old ones??
dont get me wrong...i think its a good idea, just curious about the quality of some of these rifles.

[sasquatch2]

Apparently the reg force didn't have sufficient C7's to deploy. Support personnel only have weapons in a hot-zone perhaps. The militia were playing with sticks and Excello got a rush order for many more.

The new C7's are an improvement on the original. Yes the life expectancy of a C7 is 20,000 rds+. The "surplus C7's" are likely the old model and are very serviceable----likely better than a new colt M16. But then I am biased.

The new order caused a delay on a project to rebuild M2's for the US Army.

[Tricks]

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

The militia were playing with sticks and Excello got a rush order for many more.

What the hell is Excello?

[sasquatch2]

Excello is a light engineering firm in kitchener, Ontario, which among other things manufactures C7's for the Canadian Government.

BTW, Tricks, you may be not aware but General Dynamics, Land Systems, having taken over the GM military facility at GM DIESEL, in North East London builds LAV's and STRYKERs. It's on Oxford Street east of Clark Road. Can't miss it.

[Tricks]

Doesn't Colt Canada build the C-7? The colt factory in Canada would build it wouldn't it?

[sasquatch2]

Tricks

$1:

Doesn't Colt Canada build the C-7? The colt factory in Canada would build it wouldn't it?

Colt Canada??????

$1:

Colt Defense LLC, a designer, developer and manufacturer of small arms for military and law enforcement agencies, announced today the completion of its acquisition of the Logistics & Defense Division, Diemaco, from Héroux-Devtek Inc. (TSX: HRX). The Diemaco business will now be operated as Colt Canada Corporation, a wholly owned subsidiary of Colt.

Colt's needed this to acquire the proprietary barrel manufacturing method---hammer forging.

This is similar to Timberjack in Woodstock, On, a manufacturer/pioneer in forestry equipment. This was purchased from Timberland, the original company by Eaton/Yale.....then sold to Valmet of Finland.....which in turn sold it to Deere & CO (JOHN DEERE) who having acquired the rights to proprietary models closed the plant after a year or so and removed production to the US.

[SprCForr]

Every Regular Force soldier on reporting to their unit is assigned a personal weapon. They keep that weapon for the duration of the posting to that unit for their exclusive use, unless assigned a different type of weapon (i.e. C8 or C9). Each Regular Force unit keeps a surplus of personal weapons, to the point where they can issue up to 1.5 times their establishment. Doesn't matter the trade or the role. There is no requirement for a Reserve unit to give up their personal weapons to a Regular unit so that the Regular unit can deploy. They just don't need them. C7's are as common as dirt.

Which unit was alledgedly playing with sticks? Never heard of this Excello. Diemaco made the C7's and sold it to Colt, unless this Excello supplies a component of some kind.

[DerbyX]

SprCForr SprCForr:

Every Regular Force soldier on reporting to their unit is assigned a personal weapon. They keep that weapon for the duration of the posting to that unit for their exclusive use, unless assigned a different type of weapon (i.e. C8 or C9). Each Regular Force unit keeps a surplus of personal weapons, to the point where they can issue up to 1.5 times their establishment. Doesn't matter the trade or the role. There is no requirement for a Reserve unit to give up their personal weapons to a Regular unit so that the Regular unit can deploy. They just don't need them. C7's are as common as dirt.

Which unit was alledgedly playing with sticks? Never heard of this Excello. Diemaco made the C7's and sold it to Colt, unless this Excello supplies a component of some kind.

Me thinks yetiboy is just trolling in order to cast further aspersions on the party that sent them to Afghanistan somehow without weapons or that they took all the remaining weapons leaving units back home with sticks.

There is no way any self-respecting unit would train with sticks unless it were part of a deliberate training program.

Once again we see that truth is as foreign a concept to certain members as soap and mouthwash.

[Tricks]

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

Tricks

$1:

Doesn't Colt Canada build the C-7? The colt factory in Canada would build it wouldn't it?

Colt Canada??????

Yeah. Diemaco was bought by colt and renamed to Colt Canada.