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Ah I missed that part, I'll give it another read.

[TattoodGirl]

goodnight dude...i have a 9pm icetime gotta go.

And ya 2inch spacer are pretty grotesque

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Hmm I can see what you mean by the comments on the news article in the link.
Night TG!

[fifeboy]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

The scots are not a religion

I beg your Pardon

[PENATRATOR]

lily lily:

PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:

"In fact, you yourself don't seem to have a problem with a fellow member wearing a turban so long as he conforms to the safety standards."
Uh, yeah, that's exactly what I said. Thanks.

Looks that way to me:

RENATRATOR RENATRATOR:

though I don't care for the turban in a uniform, the only time it ticks me off is when the INDIVIDUAL wearing it, refuses to wear a helmet or gas mask or something of the sort.

$1:

As for you not serving, yes it does matter when you make a comment about our traditions with "Who cares".

As has been pointed out repeatedly - traditions have been constantly evolving, and this includes the uniform. But if you really want to cite tradition... take a look at some of the old pictures that have been posted on this thread, and explain to me what the problem is, and why anyone should care that some members of the military suddenly have a problem with the turban.

This is what you counter with? Are you serious? Lily jeez, those pictures of Sihks are guys serving in their own Regiment, not as members of the PPCLI, RCR, R22R or the Seaforth Highlanders. Therefore, the tradition of the Canadian Regiment is not being changed. Thanks though.

Trev, PM inbound.

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EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Gunnair Gunnair:

InternetChatter InternetChatter:

Are there no Canadian sacred cows? What if religious extremists of various ethnicities (religious right included) made the majority. What are you willing to give up in pusuit of this "inclusion" cult. Abortion rights, gay rights, give equal footing yo sharia courts?

It is as if everything we have done to get where we are today was for naught. I am a big fan of Christopher Hitchens. Western civilization is not for sale, or something I want to part with for a few votes. Western liberalism is why we are a free nation, to abandon all of the dressings and heritage is not going to help us sustain it. I fear for the liberal western world that capitulates the truly good and noble advances we have made culturally and philosophically.

Really. So, by allowing Sikhs to wear turbans, or, heaven forbide, allow them their own regiment, it'll signal the fall of western civilization? Were all the previous examples of ethnic accomadation lost on you? It worked well for the British, and it has worked well for Canada with the French Canadians.

So please illustrate how allowing Indo-Canadians their own regiment is somehow worse than allowing French Canadians or Scottish Canadians their own regiments?

By the way, once again I'd ask you to peek through a history book and see how much blood and toil Indians, Japanese (WWI), Nepalese, and Arabs have put into our Western Liberalism and freedom. You just might be surprised.

Gunnair, I think an Indo-Canadian regiment is an idea with merit. Really Sikhs spring to mind on this one.
The Sikh culture holds warriors in high regard. This is just like the regiments that were raised with British sounding names, like the Calgary Highlanders, Black Watch of Canada, or a dozen or more very Anglo sounding militia regiments. These regiments appealed to recent immigrants from the UK but still were very Canadian.
Why not do the same with the current immigrants? They are Canadians but they have a military heritage similar to the anglo-saxon warrior ethos.
The Sikh Regiment in the Indian Army is seen as the shock troops of the Indian Infantry and Sikh units in the British Indian Army were held in very high regard by the British.

I think a regiment say named The Canadian Sikh Regiment or even the Royal Canadian Regiment of Sikhs etc would be a good way of integrating the Sikh culture into mainstream Canada.

I would think this would be an excellent addition to the Regiments of the Canadian Army, plus its just a good idea culturally.

I can't see this happening as there is no way that a 4th Regular force Regiment is going to be stood up when the other 3 are scrambling to meet operational effectivness, As for it becoming a Reserve unit, well not feasible as we have Sihk's right across the Country and reserve units generally recruit from the local area, so unless you plan on building an armoury in Brampton forget about it.
While I understand you idea, I really don't see it occuring.

[PENATRATOR]

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

$1:

As has been pointed out repeatedly - traditions have been constantly evolving, and this includes the uniform. But if you really want to cite tradition... take a look at some of the old pictures that have been posted on this thread, and explain to me what the problem is, and why anyone should care that some members of the military suddenly have a problem with the turban.

Could it be that someone who wears a turban isnt white?...thats how im seeing it

Neither is my partner in crime, he's Black, but nice try. Way to push the envelope.

[Gunnair]

PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Really. So, by allowing Sikhs to wear turbans, or, heaven forbide, allow them their own regiment, it'll signal the fall of western civilization? Were all the previous examples of ethnic accomadation lost on you? It worked well for the British, and it has worked well for Canada with the French Canadians.

So please illustrate how allowing Indo-Canadians their own regiment is somehow worse than allowing French Canadians or Scottish Canadians their own regiments?

By the way, once again I'd ask you to peek through a history book and see how much blood and toil Indians, Japanese (WWI), Nepalese, and Arabs have put into our Western Liberalism and freedom. You just might be surprised.

Gunnair, I think an Indo-Canadian regiment is an idea with merit. Really Sikhs spring to mind on this one.
The Sikh culture holds warriors in high regard. This is just like the regiments that were raised with British sounding names, like the Calgary Highlanders, Black Watch of Canada, or a dozen or more very Anglo sounding militia regiments. These regiments appealed to recent immigrants from the UK but still were very Canadian.
Why not do the same with the current immigrants? They are Canadians but they have a military heritage similar to the anglo-saxon warrior ethos.
The Sikh Regiment in the Indian Army is seen as the shock troops of the Indian Infantry and Sikh units in the British Indian Army were held in very high regard by the British.

I think a regiment say named The Canadian Sikh Regiment or even the Royal Canadian Regiment of Sikhs etc would be a good way of integrating the Sikh culture into mainstream Canada.

I would think this would be an excellent addition to the Regiments of the Canadian Army, plus its just a good idea culturally.

I can't see this happening as there is no way that a 4th Regular force Regiment is going to be stood up when the other 3 are scrambling to meet operational effectivness, As for it becoming a Reserve unit, well not feasible as we have Sihk's right across the Country and reserve units generally recruit from the local area, so unless you plan on building an armoury in Brampton forget about it.
While I understand you idea, I really don't see it occuring.

Surrey and other areas of the lower mainland would, I suspect, have the population base to support a militia regiment.

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well I am all for it then, but then we run into a problem, as those of you who serve know, you can't just shit trained officers and NCO's who happen to fit the racial profile of said unit. So are we going to use trained white/North American born leaders? If we do that then our NDP friends will no doubt start screaming racism as there are no whales or rain forests in trouble that day.

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Im wondering what orifice they would to pull the buildings, vehicles and equipment out of? Hell, out in my full time regiment all our buildings are hand me downs from the RCRs, two of which they condemned. I have to use my personal vehicle to run office errands because we dont have a working LS or ML. Mind you I do have an HL cargo I can use, but its kind of ludicrous to pick up a case of 12x15W40 with a 10 ton truck.