[PublicAnimalNo9]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

I'm a pirate and proud, though I don't really bother with mainstream music much anymore.

Nowadays I rip weird music off of YouTube and use special recorders to record
any sound bite I fricken want that exits my computer speakers,

Actually most of my music was available for free anyway because it's the GOOD artists who say FUCK PROFIT.

People who demand $47 for 13 songs (when you only like one) on a $0.04 disc of
plastic made in another country by children aren't worth listening too.
Go online, find someone with some morals and integrity (music not money), listen to them.

Actually, I'm surprised more bands and artists don't tell the "record" companies to F-off. So many big name acts and bands have their own studios, all the record companies do is mass produce the cds and act as distributors while paying the artist(s) that do all the work gut work, a paltry percentage of the sales.
The artists could put their music on the 'net themselves and even offer it as a paid download. I'd rather pay THEM directly to buy their music then some greedy record company.

[RUEZ]

Proculation Proculation:

Copyright infringement is not really the same crime as rape, beating or murder. It's a no victim crime.

You're right it's not the same, and I doubt he got the same sentence that a rapist would have gotten. However it isn't a no victim crime, copyright laws are made to protect people or business that create things. They deserve to profit from their creations. Why people don't get this is beyond me. Or perhaps they understand it but they are just so cheap they don't care.

[Public_Domain]

[Proculation]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Proculation Proculation:

Copyright infringement is not really the same crime as rape, beating or murder. It's a no victim crime.

You're right it's not the same, and I doubt he got the same sentence that a rapist would have gotten. However it isn't a no victim crime, copyright laws are made to protect people or business that create things. They deserve to profit from their creations. Why people don't get this is beyond me. Or perhaps they understand it but they are just so cheap they don't care.

Oh I perfectly understand it. I just think the sentence should be different. He got 2 and a half months. That's not a lot but it's still jail time. A sexual predator got 6 months last week here in Quebec but he's admissible to go out after 1/6 of his sentence so only one month. Technically, he got less than the dangerous pirate. There's something wrong here.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Proculation Proculation:

Copyright infringement is not really the same crime as rape, beating or murder. It's a no victim crime.

You're right it's not the same, and I doubt he got the same sentence that a rapist would have gotten. However it isn't a no victim crime, copyright laws are made to protect people or business that create things. They deserve to profit from their creations. Why people don't get this is beyond me. Or perhaps they understand it but they are just so cheap they don't care.

I think yer under the impression that the artists lose big profits because of this. They don't. What they make from concerts and mechandising makes what they get from cd sales seem like toilet paper.
It's the record companies that rake in the billions from cd sales, and if artists (especially well known ones) decided to bypass the "distributors", which is what most record companies are these days, not producers, this same industry would be totally fucked.
It's not about protecting the interests of the artist, it's about protecting the interests of the companies that are exploiting these artists, and making humongous profits in the meantime.
When you break it right down, the difference between what the record company pays the artist per cd, and what the downloader doesn't, is equivalent to less than $1.
That's right, for every FULL cd you d/l, it takes literally, a few pennies from the artist's pocket.
The only REAL losers are the record companies, which are busy screwing the artists.

This link describes the process as best as can be described without hiring a huge law firm:
http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/ ... lties6.htm

[CDN_PATRIOT]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Guess what? iTunes, or other online sellers will allow you to buy one song from an album. I guess you will be relieved now to know you can buy a single song and not freeload.

Buying a single song is still buying. I don't want to pay for said single songs and whatnot. The only music I buy is when my favourite band puts out a new CD. Otherwise, I'll happily download free music.

It's not like some black dodge vans will show up at my door as soon as I download a song and beat the s**t out of me or something.

If I had the $$$$$ these record companies had, I'd buy TONS of CD's.

-J.

[Proculation]

Personally, I do not download music or movies. I only download series episodes that played the night before. I could have just set up my VCR, it would have been the same.

[MacDonaill]

I'm all for people making a buck, but the fact of the matter is that the these industries are grasping at straws to protect a business model that has been destroyed by technology, and the technology ain't goin' nowhere but forward. They either need to keep up and find new ways to make a profit, or call it a day. The market has gone this way and it will not go back.

I don't like this draconian use of government force to infringe on privacy rights that many countries have adopted. Your right to privacy is far more fundamental than any company's right to prevent cyber-theft. The government has no right to spy on people and monitor their Internet usage unless it's a matter of imminent national security, life and death, and it's on a high judge's order.

That being said, many companies have adapted to the new trends. You can watch pretty much any show you want to now online, legally and free on network websites. You sit through a couple of commercials and avoid having to wait for things to download or having to stream from questionable websites. People go for it, and the companies make money on advertisements.

[RUEZ]

It's funny the argument you guys put forward. How the business model is outdated or record companies are screwing artists so you're really not hurting anyone at all. Imagine if you started stealing gas because it's far more expensive than it should be, and after all the oil companies rake in billions and gas stations make next to nothing. That's right your excuse wouldn't work there either. You can try to justify it any way you want, but in the end you are stealing and absolutely nothing you say makes it right.

You take something for free that the rights owner is trying to sell and you are stealing. If the artists are being screwed over then they aren't that smart. For a second let's take the music industry out of the equation. Consider writers, we all know it's easy to download full books. Or how about software, and movies. Face it you guys are trying to justify your cheapness.

[Proculation]

RUEZ RUEZ:

It's funny the argument you guys put forward. How the business model is outdated or record companies are screwing artists so you're really not hurting anyone at all. Imagine if you started stealing gas because it's far more expensive than it should be, and after all the oil companies rake in billions and gas stations make next to nothing. That's right your excuse wouldn't work there either. You can try to justify it any way you want, but in the end you are stealing and absolutely nothing you say makes it right.

You take something for free that the rights owner is trying to sell and you are stealing. If the artists are being screwed over then they aren't that smart. For a second let's take the music industry out of the equation. Consider writers, we all know it's easy to download full books. Or how about software, and movies. Face it you guys are trying to justify your cheapness.

I totally agree with you. You can boycott the majors or boycott Esso. That's your right. But, making a Robin Hood of yourself is still illegal.

[Yogi]

RUEZ RUEZ:

It's funny the argument you guys put forward. How the business model is outdated or record companies are screwing artists so you're really not hurting anyone at all. Imagine if you started stealing gas because it's far more expensive than it should be, and after all the oil companies rake in billions and gas stations make next to nothing. That's right your excuse wouldn't work there either. You can try to justify it any way you want, but in the end you are stealing and absolutely nothing you say makes it right.

You take something for free that the rights owner is trying to sell and you are stealing. If the artists are being screwed over then they aren't that smart. For a second let's take the music industry out of the equation. Consider writers, we all know it's easy to download full books. Or how about software, and movies. Face it you guys are trying to justify your cheapness.

Excelent POV Ruez

[mikewood86]

I was gonna go off on how it's kind of a gray area (p2p file sharing as opposed to stealing from the source), but for this argument, you have two camps firmly dug in. Not gonna waste my finger energy on this one.

[Public_Domain]

[rickc]

RUEZ is spot on! Theft is theft.Lots of businesses have huge markup on thier product.Take diamonds.When you proposed to your wife did you steal an engagement ring? Tim Hortons has huge markup,are you stealing coffee from them? People steal from the recording industry because they can,soon they feel entitled.If the recording industry comes after you they are picking on you."Everyone else is doing it too!" That mentality is exactly why we have 12 million "undocumented workers" in the U.S.Everyone is a victem,thier rights are being violated.Someone films you stealing and they are violating your privacy.Smells like b.s. to me.

How can anyone complain about spending $20 on a cd? I have cd's I bought back in 1983 when cd's first came out.They still sound good today.I can't say the same for the cassetts I bought in 1983.I can't think of to many things I paid $20 for 27 years ago that I still have,and still work.My cell phone bill is $75 a month for two lines and that is with a cheap company.Look at the shit you waste money on each month.that you just GOT TO HAVE.How much do you spend on internet service? Are you stealing that? Fight the good fight RUEZ!

[Public_Domain]