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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:02 pm
 


Title: Canada may abandon bid for Security Council seat
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Posted By: bootlegga
Date: 2008-05-14 12:10:45
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:02 pm
 


Harper takes George Bush's international position, so Canada has lost the respect of many countries. The backpack Canadian flag, once a protector, is becoming a target under Harper.


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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:11 pm
 


Thanks for making Canada a player in world politics, Stevie. :roll:


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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:27 pm
 


I don't know but does it really matter other than posturing?
With events of the past years how much power does the U.N. have when certain countries do as the see fit when it doesn't suite them?


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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:55 pm
 


yeah and it was really good under dithers...please.


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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:27 pm
 


Exactly. Canada was an easy place to become a refugee, that's all.
A hotel of convienience.

The UN can get bent.


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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:43 pm
 


I'd prefer if Harper said the U.N. is a piece of shit and thus doesn't want to be on the council, but that will never happen.


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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:51 pm
 


The UN does a lot of posturing because it knows that it is relatively safe from attack. Let's evict them, put them on a little island somewhere in the North Atlantic with just an unarmed UN peacekeeping force for protection and THEN see how they act :)


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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:15 pm
 


Yeah, why bother with an institution that provides a lot of Canadian pride (vis-avis peacekeeping) when we can just go and fight another war with the US to find some non-existent WMDs (or some other bogus reason). :roll:

The thing I love is that when the US and its allies had the numbers, they LOVED the UN. Now that all those bastards in the third world (roughly half of whom were supported militarily and/or financially when the West needed them in the Cold War)have the audacity to stick up for what is best (in their opinion) for their countries, it's time to abandon the UN.

Sounds like a real grown-up decision.

I can't get my way so I'm taking my ball and going home...


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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:26 pm
 


The UN is now just another example of the committee that designed the camel.

Even the name has become an oxymoron.


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Wow boot, do you twist you're wrist when you type that ammount of spin?

I think Canadians had pride in the UN and peacekeeping when it worked.
Let's face facts, Korea and Cypress were a hell of a lot better than Rwanda, Bosnia and Somolia. I think the Liberal party would just as soon Canadians forgot about those missions and dream up some fictional ideal where Canadian peacekeepers (I guess soldiers is just too violent a word to use?) walked around handing out candy to kids.

The UN is now filled with more countries I have no time for and the security counsel is just the same. The non-perminant members are picked by a bingo game so we get great places like Croatia, Libia and Burkina Faso. Seriously: Libia and Croatia really don't have great human rights records and no one has ever heard of Burkina Faso.


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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:07 pm
 


..but I'm sure we'll see some dramatic action from the UN soon:

Enter U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon. Expressing his frustration and anger at the junta's next-to-nil response to the cyclone disaster, Ban said: "This is not about politics. It is about saving people's lives. There is absolutely no more time to lose."


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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:20 pm
 


ridenrain ridenrain:
Wow boot, do you twist you're wrist when you type that ammount of spin?

I think Canadians had pride in the UN and peacekeeping when it worked.
Let's face facts, Korea and Cypress were a hell of a lot better than Rwanda, Bosnia and Somolia. I think the Liberal party would just as soon Canadians forgot about those missions and dream up some fictional ideal where Canadian peacekeepers (I guess soldiers is just too violent a word to use?) walked around handing out candy to kids.


So let's examine you examples for a second. Korea worked only because the Soviets walked out and the US (yes the US) was able to get a positive vote in the Security Council. That actually was a case of war or peace-making, not peacekeeping. Cypress might have turned into a UN show, but who were the first nations there? NATO nations trying to prevent a full scale conflict in southern Europe between two other NATO countries. That was how the mission was originally framed, not as a UN peacekeeping mission.

Rwanda was a disaster because the US refused to assist smaller nations go in there and do something. Canada wanted to send troops but lacked the ability to get them there and to support them. Little old Belgium had over a thousand troops there but had to pull them out. The lack of consensus in the Security Council, led by the USA, was what prevented the world from doing anything.

Somalia didn't work out because the US insisted on running the show and not sharing info with its UN partners. Look at the failed attempt to get Aided as an example. Had it used cooperation rather than going it alone, Somalia could have turned out different.

Peacekeeping in Bosnia was a success. It didn't happen overnight and it took an awful lot of work but Bosnia is very stable now.


ridenrain ridenrain:
The UN is now filled with more countries I have no time for and the security counsel is just the same. The non-perminant members are picked by a bingo game so we get great places like Croatia, Libia and Burkina Faso. Seriously: Libia and Croatia really don't have great human rights records and no one has ever heard of Burkina Faso.



Yeah democracy sure is a bitch isn't it. Why should we give everyone a vote when we can just give the important nations a vote? I wonder if you would feel the same if Canada was run that way. Sorry, Prince Albert, you're not important enough to vote in federal elections. Same goes for Barrhead, Terrace and a host of other small places. Because that's essentially what you're suggesting. Only big important places deserve to have a say in things.


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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:36 pm
 


So you're trying to tell us that Rwanda was really the fault of the US and not the UN? That's crap. I'd say the US stayed out because the UN is a circle jerk that the US is getting tired of supporting, and after Somolia, they lost all enthusiasm for putting US troops in Africa. Canada should have learned the same lesson but the Canadian government at the time have always been slow learners.
Canada certainly didn't help in Rwanda and even if we were prepared, the UN wouldn't let us do anything anyways.

I notice that you didn't defend Libia and those other disfunctional groups. The fact that the US is set against the western nations yet demand their funding is one of the major reasons why they can't do anything.
With all their faults, I'd put more faith in NATO than the US. At least NATO can pick their members.


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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:57 pm
 


Red_Eye Red_Eye:
I don't know but does it really matter other than posturing?
With events of the past years how much power does the U.N. have when certain countries do as the see fit when it doesn't suite them?

Exactly oh and Bootsie we didn't join the US in their ill fated hunt for the WMD's that they sold to Saddam.


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