[OnTheIce]

In the end, the house is the responsibility of the homeowner.

Keep a closer eye on your property.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

andyt andyt:

Your building permit includes those fees.

My building permit is $100, not $5000. Try again. The electrical permit is based on the number of rooms I am doing at that point and they are coming out of Nelson to inspect (about an hours drive) and are not a municipal service. Also, the building inspection office is not municipal.

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It's not a fine and it's not something just assessed on grow ops.

Really? For whatever else inspection do we have to pay $5000 each?

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It does offset what we pay for them. City Hall is not a money making corporation. If they don't asses these kinds of fees, they'd have to raise property taxes. I don't think that's any better.

I rather pay 0.01% more in property tax, than $5000 when my tenant is making me pay for illegal shit THEY do.

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I want the homeowner to bear these costs, because that seems the fair thing to me. If the house was vandalized by tenants in some other way and required this kind of remedial work, would you also want the city to provide it's services for nothing?

Supervising a clean up? Seriously?

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This is a cost of doing business, plain and simple.

This is NOT doing business. This is like writing a ticket for doing the legal limit.

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Legalize pot and you wouldn't have this particular problem, but landlords would still be dealing with tenant damage all the time.

Biggest bullshit EVER. Legalizing pot would not make the grow-ops go away.

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We have this sort of thing all the time in BC. Never heard anybody squawk when an actual grow-op is found, only when they don't find one and still assess those fees and make bullshit work orders.

Never heard of anyone having to pay a $5000 "fee" to pay for "supervising" something a very skilled group of people is doing.

If you haven't heard about the $5000 fees for inspecting cucumber grow ops, etc, you haven't been following the news.

Why do you think illegal grow ops will persist if pot is able to be legally grown. Why would anybody do that?

[andyt]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

andyt andyt:

It's because pot's illegal that there are victims. You wouldn't get this sort of thing if legal growers could use warehouse space like any other business. There's a reason why they're not taking down a lot of tomato grows like this.

Pot isn't a harmless drug nor will "victims" be removed if it's legalized.

Remove your head from your ass.

So you would make a business case for growing pot illegally in somebody's home when it would be competing with legally grown pot in greenhouses? Don't invest your life savings in such a venture.

[Brenda]

cigarettes are legal. And still smuggled. Not just in N-A, also in Europe. On a LARGE scale. Pot use and personal growing plants up to 5 is legal in The Netherlands. Pot dealers (which is illegal, since you can buy it legally and grow it yourself) are plentiful.

Yeah, wonder why, huh?

Are you THAT naive??

[Gunnair]

Brenda Brenda:

cigarettes are legal. And still smuggled. Not just in N-A, also in Europe. On a LARGE scale. Pot use and personal growing plants up to 5 is legal in The Netherlands. Pot dealers (which is illegal, since you can buy it legally and grow it yourself) are plentiful.

Yeah, wonder why, huh?

Are you THAT naive??

Pot legalization will make Canada the land of milk and honey - a paradise on Earth where gang activity is minimized and all those pot smokers either grow their handful of not-for-profit pot or pay for the highly taxed kind because in the end, the legalization is not about satisfying the wants of the individual, it's about improving society.

[andyt]

No I don't wonder why - that's the problem with decrim vs legalization. Only legalization will serve to vastly reduce illegal sales.

Cigs in Canada are smuggled from the US - that wouldn't happen with pot unless they also legalize and set lower taxes than we do. You just don't hear about tobacco grow ops or tobacco rips etc. Sure there's an illegal market - what do think that market would be like if cigs were illegal? Govts make big revenue off cigs - they wouldn't make dime one if cigs were illegal - how is that better?

[ccga3359]

andyt andyt:

It's because pot's illegal that there are victims. You wouldn't get this sort of thing if legal growers could use warehouse space like any other business. There's a reason why they're not taking down a lot of tomato grows like this.

Let's assume andyt(sorry to use you as an example) smokes pot. Pot is now legal, let's suggest andyt smokes an ounce a week, let us further assume that's about $25 street value today (no idea I don't smoke it or buy it. After taxes and profit for the now legal growing facilities is now $100/oz. Andyt now realizes that he can grow that same amount for $5/oz. Sooner or later andyt realizes he can start a little business of growing pot for $5/oz and selling it to "friends" for $25/oz, $20 an ounce pure profit, hmmm... That can't happen because pot is now legal. The government doesn't compete with cigarette smugglers now what makes you think they would ever do it with pot?

[RUEZ]

andyt andyt:

It's because pot's illegal that there are victims. You wouldn't get this sort of thing if legal growers could use warehouse space like any other business. There's a reason why they're not taking down a lot of tomato grows like this.

That's such bullshit. They consciously decided to break a current law, and in the process damaged thier landlords property. It's because they broke a law that there are victims. I bet you also blame the speed limits for you getting tickets, not the fact that might have been speeding.

[RUEZ]

ccga3359 ccga3359:

andyt andyt:

It's because pot's illegal that there are victims. You wouldn't get this sort of thing if legal growers could use warehouse space like any other business. There's a reason why they're not taking down a lot of tomato grows like this.

Let's assume andyt(sorry to use you as an example) smokes pot. Pot is now legal, let's suggest andyt smokes an ounce a week, let us further assume that's about $25 street value today (no idea I don't smoke it or buy it. After taxes and profit for the now legal growing facilities is now $100/oz. Andyt now realizes that he can grow that same amount for $5/oz. Sooner or later andyt realizes he can start a little business of growing pot for $5/oz and selling it to "friends" for $25/oz, $20 an ounce pure profit, hmmm... That can't happen because pot is now legal. The government doesn't compete with cigarette smugglers now what makes you think they would ever do it with pot?

shhhh, they don't like it when you throw a monkey wrench in their perfect plan.

[Gunnair]

RUEZ RUEZ:

andyt andyt:

It's because pot's illegal that there are victims. You wouldn't get this sort of thing if legal growers could use warehouse space like any other business. There's a reason why they're not taking down a lot of tomato grows like this.

That's such bullshit. They consciously decided to break a current law, and in the process damaged thier landlords property. It's because they broke a law that there are victims. I bet you also blame the speed limits for you getting tickets, not the fact that might have been speeding.

As much as I want pot legalized, I don't for a moment think it's to do anything else than save, me as a taxpayer, a bunch of coin to pay police to go after self serving individuals that can't be bothered to follow the law. You're right. Pot smokers are like speeders and anyone else who makes a conscious decision to break a law they disagree with because they feel it impinges their freedom.

Sovereign citizens writ lazy.

[andyt]

ccga3359 ccga3359:

andyt andyt:

It's because pot's illegal that there are victims. You wouldn't get this sort of thing if legal growers could use warehouse space like any other business. There's a reason why they're not taking down a lot of tomato grows like this.

Let's assume andyt(sorry to use you as an example) smokes pot. Pot is now legal, let's suggest andyt smokes an ounce a week, let us further assume that's about $25 street value today (no idea I don't smoke it or buy it. After taxes and profit for the now legal growing facilities is now $100/oz. Andyt now realizes that he can grow that same amount for $5/oz. Sooner or later andyt realizes he can start a little business of growing pot for $5/oz and selling it to "friends" for $25/oz, $20 an ounce pure profit, hmmm... That can't happen because pot is now legal. The government doesn't compete with cigarette smugglers now what makes you think they would ever do it with pot?

Well, the people who do smoke pot on this forum have told us the street price of pot is $200/ounce, but costs $28/ounce to grow. After taxes legal pot might go for $50 an ounce, tho I think it should be higher. So much for your math.

Booze costs pennies the bottle to produce, yet look at the price of booze. Why is there no thriving illegal booze produced?

The govt doesn't compete with cig smugglers? All I see is legal cigs for sale everywhere and people buying them. Reasons for illegal cig sales are the much lower taxes in the US, and that govt in its wisdom allowed natives to make their own cigs. Those were meant only for on reserve consumption, but has got way out of control. Same with the illegal cigs smuggled thru Akwesasne - if the govt actually grew a pair, a lot of those illegal cigs would be stopped.

Pot legalization should also allow people to grow for their own consumption. Between that an the legal sales in liquor stores, the greatest amount of gang supplied pot would disappear because there wouldn't be enough money in it to make it worth the risk.

[andyt]

RUEZ RUEZ:

andyt andyt:

It's because pot's illegal that there are victims. You wouldn't get this sort of thing if legal growers could use warehouse space like any other business. There's a reason why they're not taking down a lot of tomato grows like this.

That's such bullshit. They consciously decided to break a current law, and in the process damaged thier landlords property. It's because they broke a law that there are victims. I bet you also blame the speed limits for you getting tickets, not the fact that might have been speeding.

If there was no incentive to grow pot they wouldn't break the law doing it. So there would no landlords victimized.

[andyt]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Pot legalization will make Canada the land of milk and honey - a paradise on Earth where gang activity is minimized and all those pot smokers either grow their handful of not-for-profit pot or pay for the highly taxed kind because in the end, the legalization is not about satisfying the wants of the individual, it's about improving society.

Oh, oh, I can play this game. Because we have laws against pot nobody grows it and uses it. No gangs derive "jet fuel" (cop's words) big bucks from dealing it, nobody ruins houses growing it, nobody shoots anybody for it, kids don't find it easier to get than booze. It's nibbana, all around, and any problems we have can easily be solved by building more prisons and putting more people in jail.

This is fun.

[andyt]

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90 per cent of illegal cigarettes made in Akwesasne: RCMP

The RCMP say they are cracking down on a booming cigarette industry based on the aboriginal reserve spanning the St. Lawrence River that they allege supplies most of the illegal cigarettes in Canada.

"The majority of contraband tobacco seized by the RCMP from B.C. to Newfoundland do come from the American side of the Akwesasne Mohawk Territory," Sgt. Michael Harvey said Thursday as the RCMP prepared to dispose of enough tobacco to make 3.7 million cigarettes, seized from the reserve straddling the borders of Quebec, Ontario and New York state.

Harvey alleged that 90 per cent of illegal cigarettes sold in Canada — mostly in Central Canada —come from Akwesasne, and police are now seizing in one week the number of cigarettes that they used to confiscate in a month.

"The Canadian people think that they're saving tax dollars by buying these illicit tobacco, but in fact, they're financing organized crime groups that are using the geography of our border to move illegal products back and forth and then to financially gain from the sale of this illicit project," Harvey said. "It is a public safety issue."

On Thursday, the RCMP invited CBC News to the Cornwall dump to watch as they crushed and buried $400,000 worth of cigarillos, cartons of cigarettes, and garbage bags of fine-cut tobacco.

Harvey said about 105 organized crime groups are involved in manufacturing the cigarettes, and many use the proceeds from illegal tobacco to fund other activities. Right now, police are trying to target the groups' leaders, but they can't ignore the loads of cigarettes that cross the St. Lawrence River by the boatload, he said.

Shouldn't be too hard to seriously slow that down if Canadian officials only had some balls.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Pot legalization will make Canada the land of milk and honey - a paradise on Earth where gang activity is minimized and all those pot smokers either grow their handful of not-for-profit pot or pay for the highly taxed kind because in the end, the legalization is not about satisfying the wants of the individual, it's about improving society.

Oh, oh, I can play this game. Because we have laws against pot nobody grows it and uses it. No gangs derive "jet fuel" (cop's words) big bucks from dealing it, nobody ruins houses growing it, nobody shoots anybody for it, kids don't find it easier to get than booze. It's nibbana, all around, and any problems we have can easily be solved by building more prisons and putting more people in jail.

This is fun.

What's going to change when you decriminalize or legalize it, other than tax-income?

People will still grow and use, it will still be dealt, houses will still be ruined, people will still be shot and kids will still find it easier to get to than booze (although I doubt that is true, since everyone has booze in their cupboard or fridge, which they can steal, but I ain't got no pot in my house).

XTC is also very easy to come by (hell, it is dealt in schools, as is pot), should we legalize that too, just because it is used now anyway?