[Brenda]

oh, maybe you think this is a good read...
http://www.migrationinformation.org/Pro ... cfm?ID=339

Other than that, personal experience (but I don't think that counts to you, does it?) and google works for you too. Maybe even living in Europe, and seeing the differences between the continents might be a good one too, so you can talk from your own experience...

Again, this is a topic about France, not Canada. HUGE difference...

[Brenda]

$1:

You seem to have maxed out on your ability to discuss coherently here. These things happen, so I understand.

The moment you call people from a certain country a race, I don't think there is any further discussion possible...

[Gunnair]

Brenda wrote:

$1:

oh, maybe you think this is a good read...
http://www.migrationinformation.org/Pro ... cfm?ID=339

I'll look at it, thanks.

$1:

Other than that, personal experience (but I don't think that counts to you, does it?) and google works for you too.

Personal experience if you were dealing with a small group. When painting an entire group based on your narrow singular experience, then no, I'l pass on that. Smacks of bigotry. As far as google... well, it's you making the claims. I think you know by now, that it's up to you to back them up.

$1:

Maybe even living in Europe, and seeing the differences between the continents might be a good one too, so you can talk from your own experience...

Again, if you were talking about your own small experiences, then it might be applicable. Not so much when you paint the whole group of them in Europe from your singular experience in Holland.

[Gunnair]

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

You seem to have maxed out on your ability to discuss coherently here. These things happen, so I understand.

The moment you call people from a certain country a race, I don't think there is any further discussion possible...

Really? is that all it takes for you to shut down?

Wow.

race2  /reɪs/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [reys] Show IPA
–noun 1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
2. a population so related.
3. Anthropology. a. any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics: no longer in technical use.
b. an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, esp. formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
c. a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.

4. a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.
5. any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race. (I didn't make that up!)
6. the human race or family; humankind: Nuclear weapons pose a threat to the race.
7. Zoology. a variety; subspecies.
8. a natural kind of living creature: the race of fishes.
9. any group, class, or kind, esp. of persons: Journalists are an interesting race.
10. the characteristic taste or flavor of wine.

–adjective 11. of or pertaining to the races of humankind.


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Origin:
1490–1500; < F < It razza, of obscure orig.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/race

Hope that helps, Brenda.

[Brenda]

DAMN!!! Other than being part of the caucasian race, I am part of the Dutch race! Bite me!

[Brenda]

My Personal experience with muslims in general, in my small group, is good. The few that tell me to cover up and tell me I am a whore, oh well.
The newspapers however speak for themselves... 7/7 London bombing, murder of Theo van Gogh, Ayaan Hirsi Ali (although I am not a fan of hers), the attacks on Geert Wilders and his wife...

[Gunnair]

Brenda Brenda:

My Personal experience with muslims in general, in my small group, is good. The few that tell me to cover up and tell me I am a whore, oh well.
The newspapers however speak for themselves... 7/7 London bombing, murder of Theo van Gogh, Ayaan Hirsi Ali (although I am not a fan of hers), the attacks on Geert Wilders and his wife...

Interesting point. If I picked out ten examples of bad things blacks do, would that be evidence enough that the group as a whole is bad?

[KorbenDeck]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Brenda Brenda:

My Personal experience with muslims in general, in my small group, is good. The few that tell me to cover up and tell me I am a whore, oh well.
The newspapers however speak for themselves... 7/7 London bombing, murder of Theo van Gogh, Ayaan Hirsi Ali (although I am not a fan of hers), the attacks on Geert Wilders and his wife...

Interesting point. If I picked out ten examples of bad things blacks do, would that be evidence enough that the group as a whole is bad?

Difference is that the "blacks" as you say are not doing the crimes in the name of religion. Muslims are NOT a race, "Muslim" means "one who submits (to God)"

Muslims have no intention of living peacefully with the west. Unless you live under a rock you must have seen how half the world basically exploded when a few pictures of Muhammad were published in a paper. Or the riots in Greece when a police crumbled a piece of paper while searching a person who was illegally in Greece. The riots in Paris. The introduction of Sharia Law in Britain. You do not see Christians going nuts anytime a joke is made about their religion or anytime someone does something against their religion. Think how many times you can watch shows like South Park, Family Guy, American Dad, This hour has 22 minutes etc and see a joke in there about Christianity, without a Human Rights complaint being filed or someone getting killed.

Then there is the U.N. resolution that was introduce that seeks to criminalize opinions that differ with the Islamic faith. Resolution 62/154

[Lemmy]

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

Difference is that the "blacks" as you say are not doing the crimes in the name of religion. Muslims are NOT a race, "Muslim" means "one who submits (to God)"

Muslims have no intention of living peacefully with the west. Unless you live under a rock you must have seen how half the world basically exploded when a few pictures of Muhammad were published in a paper. Or the riots in Greece when a police crumbled a piece of paper while searching a person who was illegally in Greece. The riots in Paris. The introduction of Sharia Law in Britain. You do not see Christians going nuts anytime a joke is made about their religion or anytime someone does something against their religion. Think how many times you can watch shows like South Park, Family Guy, American Dad, This hour has 22 minutes etc and see a joke in there about Christianity, without a Human Rights complaint being filed or someone getting killed.

Then there is the U.N. resolution that was introduce that seeks to criminalize opinions that differ with the Islamic faith. Resolution 62/154

That's a hell of a stretch to suggest that Muslims wanting Sharia is a terrorist act.."hav(ing) no intention of living peacefully with the west". Sharia in Britain, btw, is a matter of PRIVATE negotiation, not criminal law. Both parties in these cases have agreed to a PRIVATE contract.

The reason comedy shows pick on Muslims more than Christians is a clear reflection of inherent racism. I couldn't find it on youtube to post a link, but check out SNL's Robert De Niro skit where he plays a Homeland Security spokesperson (Craig Finlayson, or something like that). Funny though it was, it sounded an aweful lot like Germany circa 1935.

[KorbenDeck]

That was my error I should have worded that as an example of Muslims not wanting to be part of the host country. I was not calling it a terrorist act. None of the stuff I listed in my last post I consider terrorist acts, they are all simply Muslims and their political Islamic agenda.

Sharia law regards women as inferior to men, and non-Muslims as inferior to Muslims, and it demands the execution of homosexuals. Sharia courts in Britain have already tried cases in domestic violence, and have issued no punishments beyond requiring the abuser get mentoring from Muslim elders and to attend anger management classes. The establishment of sharia law in Britain, even on a minor scale, not only undermines British law and culture of equality ‘under the law,’ with cases judged by a jury of one’s peers, but is implicitly menacing to people of all non-Muslim religions, atheists, conservatives, women, homosexuals, and people of all racial and ethnic backgrounds.

Muslims around the world are using western values and western laws to destroy western culture and legal systems to replace it with Islamic values and Islamic Laws. When anyone raises the issue, the liberals have always furiously denounced those people as racist or fascist. But liberals are those who have remained utterly silent when extremist Muslim clerics have called for the execution of homosexuals or the beating of women. The liberal establishment has betrayed their professed belief in human rights and equality, and are ushering in extremism and intolerance.

Also I would like to know what comedy shows you watch that pick on Muslims more than Christians. Muslims, not terrorist or Arabs because they are not the same thing.

[martin14]

Lemmy Lemmy:

That's a hell of a stretch to suggest that Muslims wanting Sharia is a terrorist act.."hav(ing) no intention of living peacefully with the west". Sharia in Britain, btw, is a matter of PRIVATE negotiation, not criminal law. Both parties in these cases have agreed to a PRIVATE contract.

This is only shows how little you know about the situation.

Since Muslim women are treated as second class from birth,
if not by immediate family, then by the neighborhood,
a lot of these women are not entering these contracts freely,
since they cannot. They would be pushed and berated into it.

It would be similar to signing a contract under duress.


It also opens the question as to why this is needed anyway,
we have had contract law in the West for a long time, it seems to work ok
for us. Why do they need something so soecial, just for them ?

Thats not integrating into the host country.

Last, it will lead into criminal law, it is only a metter of time.
We have special trials and sentencing circles for Natives, I predict
the Muslim community will use this to open their own courts soon enough.

[commanderkai]

Lemmy Lemmy:

The reason comedy shows pick on Muslims more than Christians is a clear reflection of inherent racism. I couldn't find it on youtube to post a link, but check out SNL's Robert De Niro skit where he plays a Homeland Security spokesperson (Craig Finlayson, or something like that). Funny though it was, it sounded an aweful lot like Germany circa 1935.

First. Christians are much more picked on in comedy than Muslims, be it because it's easier to identify with, or because we're not easily offended as Muslims. I have no idea where you think Muslims are the main targets for comedy.

Second. Knowing the video you're talking about, I'll post it. (I'm getting it from Spiketv.com

http://www.spike.com/video/robert-de-niro-snl/2730796

This was funny, and no, I did not get any vibes of Germany 1935. If this is what you think Germany 1935 was, get another history book.

[EyeBrock]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Lemmy Lemmy:

The reason comedy shows pick on Muslims more than Christians is a clear reflection of inherent racism. I couldn't find it on youtube to post a link, but check out SNL's Robert De Niro skit where he plays a Homeland Security spokesperson (Craig Finlayson, or something like that). Funny though it was, it sounded an aweful lot like Germany circa 1935.

First. Christians are much more picked on in comedy than Muslims, be it because it's easier to identify with, or because we're not easily offended as Muslims. I have no idea where you think Muslims are the main targets for comedy.

Second. Knowing the video you're talking about, I'll post it. (I'm getting it from Spiketv.com

http://www.spike.com/video/robert-de-niro-snl/2730796

This was funny, and no, I did not get any vibes of Germany 1935. If this is what you think Germany 1935 was, get another history book.

Yep, I don't remember Jews flying aircraft into buildings, or bombing trains and buses full of civilians, or attacking people because of cartoons.

Bad comparison.

[Gunnair]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Brenda Brenda:

My Personal experience with muslims in general, in my small group, is good. The few that tell me to cover up and tell me I am a whore, oh well.
The newspapers however speak for themselves... 7/7 London bombing, murder of Theo van Gogh, Ayaan Hirsi Ali (although I am not a fan of hers), the attacks on Geert Wilders and his wife...

Interesting point. If I picked out ten examples of bad things blacks do, would that be evidence enough that the group as a whole is bad?

KorbenDeck wrote:

$1:

Difference is that the "blacks" as you say are not doing the crimes in the name of religion. Muslims are NOT a race, "Muslim" means "one who submits (to God)"

Irrelevent to the point. Tarring an entire group because of the actions of a minority is just plain foolish.

$1:

Muslims have no intention of living peacefully with the west. Unless you live under a rock you must have seen how half the world basically exploded when a few pictures of Muhammad were published in a paper.

Broad generalizations and inherent exagerations aren't generally a great way to make your point and they demonstrate profound ignorance and outright bigotry.

$1:

Or the riots in Greece when a police crumbled a piece of paper while searching a person who was illegally in Greece. The riots in Paris. The introduction of Sharia Law in Britain.

Actions of a minority, or do you have stats in your back pocket that says 80% of all muslims are busy losing their shit over all things?

$1:

You do not see Christians going nuts anytime a joke is made about their religion or anytime someone does something against their religion. Think how many times you can watch shows like South Park, Family Guy, American Dad, This hour has 22 minutes etc and see a joke in there about Christianity, without a Human Rights complaint being filed or someone getting killed.

It's possible Christians have a better sense of humour, or that the minority of muslims that lose their shit over people poking fun at Muhommad just happen to be loud and idiotic. That being said, don't forget to ask what the point of shit chucking is at (insert religious group here). Christians may not roam the streets
ready to string up those that chuck shit, but they also ain't thrilled by it.

$1:

Then there is the U.N. resolution that was introduce that seeks to criminalize opinions that differ with the Islamic faith. Resolution 62/154

Annoying as hell and non-binding. Let's not forget that. As well, let's not be too surprised that silly things come out of the UN at times.

[Lemmy]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Second. Knowing the video you're talking about, I'll post it. (I'm getting it from Spiketv.com

http://www.spike.com/video/robert-de-niro-snl/2730796

This was funny, and no, I did not get any vibes of Germany 1935. If this is what you think Germany 1935 was, get another history book.

The general way in which popular media, like SNL, thinks it's okay to ridicule people on the basis of their name/language/culture is breeding the same sort of "us versus them" mentality that grew against Jews in Germany in the 30s. EyeBrock noted how Muslims are becoming more segregated and fundamentalist in Britain. Why is that? Maybe it's because of the racist ridicule that's growing against them. It seems a logical thing, to me, that they're becoming more withdrawn to insulate themselves against a tidal wave of racism, tacit or other. It's a mob mentality.

Of course it's not the same thing as Nazi Germany...not yet. But who knows how Muslims will be ridiculed in North America 5 or 10 years from now. That SNL bit was upsetting to me because it seems like the start of a slippery slope. Toady we point fingers and laugh at their names. Tomorrow? Who Knows?