[xerxes]

Who’d even want the job at this point? You’d be Labour’s punching bag every day in parliament. And if they somehow managed to survive until the next election, they’d be the one who’d preside over what will likely be the Tories worst electoral hammerings in history.

[Thanos]

Not necessarily. A year-plus is a lot of time to recover in politics. And Labour is hardly setting the scene alight with their own internal problems still ongoing. They're still riven with the severe anti-Semitism that took over their hard left caucus during the Corbyn years. And they're almost entirely given over to trans ideology which the majority of the country simply doesn't accept as legitimate. Labour is still entirely capable of losing badly, even against a really fucked up Tory party. The British as just as much a people full of political orphans as anywhere else in this sad & declining era we're stuck in simply because, just like in Canada and the US and in too many other countries to properly list, their main political parties from both sides truly suck.

[Scape]

My money is on Boris but Sunak will get it I think. Either are expendable and neither will reform the Tories before they get eviscerated in the polls no matter what the Rupert Murdoch rags peddal.

[raydan]

Comes out in December.

[xerxes]

Thanos Thanos:

Not necessarily. A year-plus is a lot of time to recover in politics. And Labour is hardly setting the scene alight with their own internal problems still ongoing. They're still riven with the severe anti-Semitism that took over their hard left caucus during the Corbyn years. And they're almost entirely given over to trans ideology which the majority of the country simply doesn't accept as legitimate. Labour is still entirely capable of losing badly, even against a really fucked up Tory party. The British as just as much a people full of political orphans as anywhere else in this sad & declining era we're stuck in simply because, just like in Canada and the US and in too many other countries to properly list, their main political parties from both sides truly suck.

Yeah, Labour can be their own worst enemy as much as the Democrats can. But I think this time the Tories have fucked up too hard and for too long to be papered over with whatever Murdoch and his shit rags come up with. A lot of people in the UK are going to go cold and hungry this winter because of rising fuel prices and that’ll be on the Tories.

[Scape]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYKJf4wcqg8

Wow. What a mess.

[DrCaleb]

I made a kale salad last night that is considering running for leader of the British Conservatives.

[DrCaleb]

Pitting Liz Truss against lettuce is offensive to lettuce, says man with trash bin helmet

[Scape]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIh7XJV ... WL&index=9

[JaredMilne]

Tricks Tricks:

any one else find it odd that they're putting new party leaders/PMs in without an election? I feel like if Trudeau stepped down and the Liberals just put in a new leader, we'd be furious about it.

Not in Parliamentary systems like Britain's and ours. The Prime Minister is not technically directly elected by the people, it's just that whoever leads a party that can retain the support of a majority of MPs or MLAs can become Prime Minister or Premier. And the Prime Minister/Premier remains in place until the party chooses a new leader, at which point the outgoing guy has to give his resignation to the Governor General or Lieutenant Governor.

The UCP, and presumably the British Tories, both have majorities in their legislature/Parliament, so they could conceivably replace the Premier and PM every three weeks if they wanted to. The reason they won't is because it'd be ridiculous, but it would be constitutional.

In fact, it used to be that party leaders were chosen just by the caucus and not the grassroots membership. Purists like journalist Dale Smith hate those kinds of changes.

Thanos Thanos:

Kind of odd to see tax cuts take out a conservative politician given that tax cuts are the bread-and-butter of pretty much every single right-of-centre party platform on the planet. Then again if the Brit Tories figured out a way to make the new tax cuts even more damaging to the working and middle class than Margaret Thatcher's poll tax debacle (the one that effectively ended her time as PM) then they got what they deserved. Maybe in the US tax cuts for the ultra wealthy and tax hikes for everyone else are a winning policy but apparently it doesn't work worth shit in the rest of the democratic countries.

Not necessarily. Even conservative politicians are saying things that would make Milton Friedman turn over in his grave now, and they're reaping the rewards. Just look at Pierre Poilievre here and Donald Trump in the U.S.

A lot of their bases are working class-types who feel like the whole "cut taxes, regulations and the social safety net and put blind naive trust in markets and international trade tribunals" playbook we've been following for the last 35-odd years has fucked them over. Since they wouldn't piss on Marxism if it was on fire, they've been eager for an alternative, which leaders like Poilevre and Trump come across as offering.

[raydan]

Conservative media is pretty much the same everywhere.

[Strutz]

A general election, or a Boris comeback? The options facing the U.K.

$1:

It is "scarcely credible" that Boris Johnson could run to become British prime minister again, only a matter of months after he resigned "mired in scandal and sleaze," says a former Downing Street policy adviser.

"In their desperation, Conservative MPs seem to be canvassing his return," said Nick Pearce, who was an advisor to former Labour prime minister Gordon Brown, and is now a professor of public policy and director of the Institute for Policy Research at the University of Bath.

[xerxes]

If they make Boris PM again, it will akin to putting the turd back in your own ass.

[DrCaleb]

You know they are going to do that though, right?

[Scape]

An independent Scotland is the only winner in this.