[BRAH]

Rampage killers led secret life, hiding plans and weapons

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-syed-farook-tashfeen-malik-shooters-san-bernardino-20151203-story.html
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[Freakinoldguy]

And yet the White House can't bring themselves to actually admit it was terrorism.

$1:

The President, after having been briefed by numerous security officials, ventured to say that the assault might have been an act of terrorism, or it might just be workplace related. He also said that no one yet knows the motivations of the two perpetrators who murdered 14 people and critically wounded more than a dozen others.

http://www.brooklynnewyork.com/obama-th ... terrorism/


Yet when it first happened he had no problem blaming the whole sordid affair on a lack of gun control.

$1:

President Barack Obama reiterated his call for more gun control reforms to make mass shootings in the U.S. "rare as opposed to normal" in the wake of a mass shooting in San Bernardino, California.

Speaking to CBS News moments after news broke of the shooting, Obama called for "common sense gun safety laws" and urged lawmakers to pass a law to prevent individuals on the "No Fly List" who are barred from boarding commercial flights from legally purchasing firearms.

http://www.brooklynnewyork.com/obama-th ... terrorism/


FFS it's time to call it TERRORISM which is what it is and quit pussyfooting around trying to use it as a means to achieve a political agenda.

[Thanos]

If it's inspired by radicalized religion or politics then it's terrorism. And it applies as much to that bug-eyed fuck that shot up the PP clinic in Colorado Springs last week as it does to the Muslim POS in Cali yesterday. Call it for what it is. It's not normal crime. It's terrorism, period. Any of the politicians and pundits that say otherwise can all go fuck their hats.

[BRAH]

It was Terrorism and the most shocking thing is how they were able to abandon their 6 month old child with such ease.

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

FFS it's time to call it TERRORISM which is what it is and quit pussyfooting around trying to use it as a means to achieve a political agenda.

Why must it be called 'terrorism'? Because 'brown' people did it? We still have no motivation for this attack. How can it be 'terrorism' when we don't know what political (or if there was a political) motivation there were. Like others have said, it could just be a workplace incident like so many other over the years, but amplified by the religious divisions creeping up over recent years.

[BRAH]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

FFS it's time to call it TERRORISM which is what it is and quit pussyfooting around trying to use it as a means to achieve a political agenda.

Why must it be called 'terrorism'? Because 'brown' people did it? We still have no motivation for this attack. How can it be 'terrorism' when we don't know what political (or if there was a political) motivation there were. Like others have said, it could just be a workplace incident like so many other over the years, but amplified by the religious divisions creeping up over recent years.

Nice race card "Because 'brown' people did it?" Why are you scared to admit it's terrorism? Yes this was workplace violence just like Paris, London, Madrid, Bali, 9/11, OKC etc.

[DrCaleb]

BRAH BRAH:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

FFS it's time to call it TERRORISM which is what it is and quit pussyfooting around trying to use it as a means to achieve a political agenda.

Why must it be called 'terrorism'? Because 'brown' people did it? We still have no motivation for this attack. How can it be 'terrorism' when we don't know what political (or if there was a political) motivation there were. Like others have said, it could just be a workplace incident like so many other over the years, but amplified by the religious divisions creeping up over recent years.

Nice race card "Because 'brown' people did it?" Why are you scared to admit it's terrorism? Yes this was workplace violence just like Paris, London, Madrid, Bali, 9/11, OKC etc.

"Scared"? Come on, it's not like you to troll.

'Terrorism' required 'violence' for a 'political' cause. So we have the 'violence', but do we have the 'politics'? No, not yet. When that tidbit is found, then it can be called 'terrorism'.

Until then, it's just a workplace shooting like most of the other 355 mass shootings so far this year. You know, like Roanoke, VA in August, or that guy at Umpqua Community College back in October. The only difference, is the couple in California is 'brown'. So it must be terrorism, right?

[ShepherdsDog]

The MSM were ready to label it a hate crime and domestic terrorism when it was thought to be a bunch of white guys in military fatigues.

[DrCaleb]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

The MSM were ready to label it a hate crime and domestic terrorism when it was thought to be a bunch of white guys in military fatigues.

The MSM get paid more, the more page hits they generate. They aren't going to waste a good opportunity to rile up the public!

This war on terrorism bullshit only ends up generating more terrorism. In all things, I like to step back and be objective.

Did this couple leave a note, or say or do anything to indicate this was motivated by politics or religion? If not, then I think we shouldn't label it as such until there is some indication it was indeed. It doesn't matter to me whether they were goose stepping white guys or brown. If there is cause to call it 'terrorism', then by all means. But assuming it was, absent proof, is a mistake.

[andyt]

I think everything points to this couple wanting to commit terrorism. The question is whether they planned to hit this particular event, or planned on hitting something that would be more symbolic but got triggered and hit this even instead. So Obama got it right saying this may be terrorism.

Haven't seen this posted yet, but CBC radio reports Farook got in a big verbal altercation about religion with a Jewish colleague some weeks ago, and they again had words at the party before the shooting.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

I think everything points to this couple wanting to commit terrorism. The question is whether they planned to hit this particular event, or planned on hitting something that would be more symbolic but got triggered and hit this even instead. So Obama got it right saying this may be terrorism.

Haven't seen this posted yet, but CBC radio reports Farook got in a big verbal altercation about religion with a Jewish colleague some weeks ago, and they again had words at the party before the shooting.

Exactly. So is it a workplace shooting or is it terrorism? If it was terrorism, why leave the scene? Why not detonate a few pipe bombs too? Why not continue at a shopping mall, or some other venue?

[BRAH]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

"Scared"? Come on, it's not like you to troll.

'Terrorism' required 'violence' for a 'political' cause. So we have the 'violence', but do we have the 'politics'? No, not yet. When that tidbit is found, then it can be called 'terrorism'.

Until then, it's just a workplace shooting like most of the other 355 mass shootings so far this year. You know, like Roanoke, VA in August, or that guy at Umpqua Community College back in October. The only difference, is the couple in California is 'brown'. So it must be terrorism, right?

They threw on tactical gear, had a home made bomb factory, left a remote controlled IED at the secene, tried to erase their digital footprints, destroyed two cell phones, removed a harddrive from a home computer, the wife pledged allegiance on Facebook to ISIS leader minutes after the attack on yep workplace violence.

[andyt]

The reason they were caught so quickly is they went and drove to their house, where the cops were already on scene and gave chase. So maybe they thought they'd get away with it and hit their planned targets after a nice falafel break.

Worrying about whether it's terrorism or not just seems silly. They were obviously planning terrorist acts. Or they took the whole rightwing "defend yourself against the jackbooted thugs" thing way too seriously.

[DrCaleb]

BRAH BRAH:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

"Scared"? Come on, it's not like you to troll.

'Terrorism' required 'violence' for a 'political' cause. So we have the 'violence', but do we have the 'politics'? No, not yet. When that tidbit is found, then it can be called 'terrorism'.

Until then, it's just a workplace shooting like most of the other 355 mass shootings so far this year. You know, like Roanoke, VA in August, or that guy at Umpqua Community College back in October. The only difference, is the couple in California is 'brown'. So it must be terrorism, right?

They threw on tactical gear, had a home made bomb factory, left a remote controlled IED at the secene, tried to erase their digital footprints, destroyed two cell phones, removed a harddrive from the computer a home yep workplace violemce.

So, covering their tracks in hopes they get away with it is therefore 'terrorism'? Or is that something every bad criminal also does?

[BRAH]

andyt andyt:

The reason they were caught so quickly is they went and drove to their house, where the cops were already on scene and gave chase. So maybe they thought they'd get away with it and hit their planned targets after a nice falafel break.

Worrying about whether it's terrorism or not just seems silly. They were obviously planning terrorist acts. Or they took the whole rightwing "defend yourself against the jackbooted thugs" thing way too seriously.

They probably went home to load up for their next target.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

BRAH BRAH:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

"Scared"? Come on, it's not like you to troll.

'Terrorism' required 'violence' for a 'political' cause. So we have the 'violence', but do we have the 'politics'? No, not yet. When that tidbit is found, then it can be called 'terrorism'.

Until then, it's just a workplace shooting like most of the other 355 mass shootings so far this year. You know, like Roanoke, VA in August, or that guy at Umpqua Community College back in October. The only difference, is the couple in California is 'brown'. So it must be terrorism, right?

They threw on tactical gear, had a home made bomb factory, left a remote controlled IED at the secene, tried to erase their digital footprints, destroyed two cell phones, removed a harddrive from the computer a home yep workplace violemce.

So, covering their tracks in hopes they get away with it is therefore 'terrorism'? Or is that something every bad criminal also does?

Something I forgot to add: " The wife pledged allegiance on Facebook to ISIS leader minutes after the attack." what does this tell you? These were Terrorist just like the Tsarnaev brothers who were responsible for the Boston bombing.