[BeaverFever]

Delwin Delwin:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/04/us/san-bernardino-shooting.html?referer=https://www.google.ca/

Just a tip I've learned, when viewing a page from your mobile device, the URL will often start with "mobile." or "m." If you paste that link, it distorts the layout for those who click the link from a desktop computer. Best to just delete that prefix when you paste so it works properly for others.

[andyt]

On an American website he said he was into guns, so NRA membership is quite possible.

[Delwin]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Delwin Delwin:

http://nytimes.com/2015/12/04/us/san-be ... google.ca/

Just a tip I've learned, when viewing a page from your mobile device, the URL will often start with "mobile." or "m." If you paste that link, it distorts the layout for those who click the link from a desktop computer. Best to just delete that prefix when you paste so it works properly for others.

OK thanks for the tip.

[BeaverFever]

Delwin Delwin:

OK thanks for the tip.

No worries, I still make that mistake all the time, especially when trying to post a Youtube vieo

[DanSC]

andyt andyt:

On an American website he said he was into guns, so NRA membership is quite possible.

Guns are useful tools for killing infidels, so he probably didn't hate guns.

[N_Fiddledog]

[N_Fiddledog]

From the right:

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We must refrain as a country from once again entering into a debate on what amounts largely to semantics about whether or not this latest massacre was an act of “terrorism.”

We need to get away from focusing on the term “terrorism.” Some folks still don’t consider the 1983 Beirut Barracks bombing by Hezbollah which killed 241 Marines, sailors and soldiers an act of terrorism because, by some widely regarded definitions, attacks on combatants under such circumstances cannot be termed “terrorism.”

The San Bernardino massacre and the 1983 attack on the Marine Barracks, though very different, were both acts of JIHAD.

The Jihadis themselves don’t refer to themselves as “terrorists.” But they most assuredly refer to themselves as “Jihadis.”

I say let them own that title. If one of them goes out on his own and shoots up a ticket counter at LAX, beheads a grandmother with a knife in Moore, Oklahoma, or shoots up a county health facility in California, those are acts of Jihad, just as 9-11 was an act of Jihad.

This was never a war on “terrorism.”

We are at war with the Jihadists. They are waging Jihad against us and that takes many forms:

• Outright military confict (see Iran’s nuclear and ballistic missile programs)

• Insurgency (See Iraq, Afghanistan, Algeria, Thailand, Philippines, Pakistan, India, Somalia, Yemen, and others)

• Terrorism (9-11, Paris, train bombings in Spain, 7/7 bombings in the UK, Mumbai, etc)

• Individual acts of violent Jihad (DC sniper, LAX shooting, Ft. Hood, Garland, Texas, Moore Oklahoma, Chattanooga, Tennessee, etc.)

• Financial Jihad (zakat payments to Islamic charities which, by Islamic Shariah law, fund Jihad, Sharia-Compliant Finance)

•Civilizational Jihad (peaceful methods, such as political influence operations (Muslim Brotherhood fronts such as CAIR, ISNA), mass immigration, lawfare, imposing Islamic customs on the West (insisting we play by their rules)).

ALL OF THIS IS JIHAD. JIHAD IS THE KEY. WE SHOULD NOT GET WRAPPED UP IN TRYING TO CLASSIFY IT IN OUR OWN VERNACULAR. ORIENT ON THE ENEMY’S DOCTRINE AND LEARN HOW HE THINKS AND ACTS.

IT’S JIHAD.

[N_Fiddledog]

From the right:

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But political correctness quashes such rationality. Political correctness says that not only must we be wary of our own prejudices, we must ignore rational risk profiling so as not to offend people.

Sadly, facts are offensive. And it is a fact that a group of heretofore unknown Middle Eastern men congregating at odd times in San Bernardino should raise questions more than a group of men of other ethnicities. Apparently, for one man, it did – and he stifled that impulse to avoid being seen as racist. CBSLA.com reports:

A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people. “We sat around lunch thinking, ‘What war they doing around the neighborhood?’” he said. “We’d see them leave where they’re raiding the apartment.”

Fourteen people are dead because a normal American didn’t want to offend anybody by reporting his suspicions about a person of minority ethnicity and religion.

[N_Fiddledog]

From the right"

MEDIA STILL SEARCHING FOR "MOTIVE" OF RELIGIOUSLY DEVOUT MUSLIM TERRORIST

CAIR IMMEDIATELY SLITHERS OUT OF THE SHADOWS: Delivers it's message of Not Really Terrorism, Nothing to do with Islam, and Forget the Dead. The Real Worry is there may be a backlash against Muslims

Now that we know it's Jihadis the Progosphere shifts memes to - Nothing to do with Islam, More Gun Control, and Christianity Sucks.



Bullshit factor of the meme: Not to worry it's just internet conversion

I post these bits from the right, because those who only hang around the progoshere like it's all they're allowed to do will be telling you soon what the right is thinking.

Here's their opportunity to have a clue what they're talking about.

[BeaverFever]

It's actually less wrong than your usual posts, although overly broad.

The Beltway sniper for instance, was never alleged to have been religiously motivated. He was just a garden variety American spree killer who happened to be a Black Muslim.

Also the "cultural jihad" falsely implies that there is some central command controlling all these Muslims, for example "mass immigration". People immigrate because they individually chose to, not because they are being dispatched by some kind of secret Muslim Pope who controls the minds of all Muslims. And "imposing Islamic customs on the west" is a made-up thing. If Boston Pizza has a Halal menu, its not because some Muslim "imposed" it on them, its because BP decided there was a market to capture.

[andyt]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

From the right:

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But political correctness quashes such rationality. Political correctness says that not only must we be wary of our own prejudices, we must ignore rational risk profiling so as not to offend people.

Sadly, facts are offensive. And it is a fact that a group of heretofore unknown Middle Eastern men congregating at odd times in San Bernardino should raise questions more than a group of men of other ethnicities. Apparently, for one man, it did – and he stifled that impulse to avoid being seen as racist. CBSLA.com reports:

A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people. “We sat around lunch thinking, ‘What war they doing around the neighborhood?’” he said. “We’d see them leave where they’re raiding the apartment.”

Fourteen people are dead because a normal American didn’t want to offend anybody by reporting his suspicions about a person of minority ethnicity and religion.

Holy shit, homeland security is going to be very busy if anytime a group of unknown Middle Eastern men (or Latinos, apparently) are seen in an area they get a call. These normal Americans should be extra careful and report any unknown African-American men in an area. They probably aren't terrorists, but probably up to no good. Of course with the recent killing of African-Americans in Charleston, African-Americans should do the same for any unknown white people they see.

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

The Beltway sniper for instance, was never alleged by the Progressive Media to have been religiously motivated.

FTFY

$1:

Also the "cultural jihad" falsely implies that there is some central command controlling all these Muslims, for example "mass immigration".

No. Ever heard of The Starfish and the Spider: The Unstoppable Power of Leaderless Organizations

Here ya go catch up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starf ... the_Spider

On the right we often connect that method to political organizations like say the Tea Party or the Political, Jihadi, or cultural, arms of Islam.

[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

The Beltway sniper for instance, was never alleged to have been religiously motivated except by non-credible, far-right sources that have never been right about anything ever.

FTFY

$1:

Also the "cultural jihad" falsely implies that there is some central command controlling all these Muslims, for example "mass immigration".

No. Ever heard of The Starfish and the Spider: The Unstoppable Power of Leaderless Organizations

Here ya go catch up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starf ... the_Spider

On the right we often connect that to political organizations like say the Tea Party or the Political, Jihadi, or cultural, arms of Islam.

I had to do a little FTFY of my own, above

That explains things like the Tsarnaevs but it doesn't explain "mass immigration".

[N_Fiddledog]

Here's something I'm waiting to hear more about:

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HOW DID IT HAPPEN?

Baccari, who was sitting at the same table as Farook, said employees at the holiday party were taking a break before snapping group photos when Farook suddenly disappeared, leaving a jacket draped over his chair. Baccari stepped out to the bathroom when he heard explosions.

"I'm getting pelted by shrapnel coming through the walls," he said. "We hit the ground."

The shooting lasted about five minutes, he said, and when he looked in the mirror he realized he was bleeding. He was hit by fragments in the body, face and arms.

"If I hadn't been in the bathroom, I'd probably be laying dead on the floor," he said.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl ... 28917.html

So a lot of the death and damage in that conference room may have been done by IED explosion rather than gunfire. How much, I wonder.

[N_Fiddledog]

$1:

The Redlands home shared by Malik and Syed Rizwan Farook has been deemed an “IED factory” or “IED facility” by some law enforcement sources.

[snip]

Pipe bombs found after the shooting did reportedly contain explosives, indicating to the FBI and the joint terrorism task force that Farook and Malik were not done with their killing spree. An RC car controller is believed to have been converted for use as a pipe bomb ignition switch.

[snip]

“They came prepared to do what they did, as if they were on a mission,” San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan said.

Inside the black SUV, Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik had “rollout bags” containing more bombs and additional ammunition. Each of the San Bernardino shooters wore a GoPro camera during the shooting. Whether or not any footage from the camera was sent to another individual or sleeper cell member for future publication remains unknown.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2606621/san-be ... heir-home/