[Newsbot]

Title: Brazilian archbishop embroiled in abortion row after child's rape
Category: World
Posted By: xerxes
Date: 2009-03-07 14:03:19

[canadevil]

quote: "God’s law is above whatever human law. So when a human law is contrary to God’s law, this human law has no value"

I shudder to think that a country can be run like that.

[Bibbi]

I wonder why large churches are losing their parishoners, going bankrupt and having to sell their churches.

[kenmore]

Well you cant change God's laws.. no true church can.. so if you dont believe in what the church tell you, then you stop going.. who wants to be told that they cant do this or that these days? we live in a me society right?

[Brenda]

What does "Gods law" say about the lovely stepdad?
The girl was 9! 9!!!

[xerxes]

And if that doesn't enrage you enough, wait till you read this bit:

$1:

Doctors said they decided to terminate the pregnancy because the girl's life was in danger due to her young age, and because she was carrying twins.

But Sobrinho, the archbishop of Olinda and Recife, in declaring the excommunication, said the abortion went against "the law of God".

The stepfather was not excommunicated because the church said that his action, although deplorable, was not as bad as ending the life of an unborn child.

"It is clear that he committed a very serious sin, but worse than this is the abortion," Sobrinho said.

Under church law, excommunication is automatic for followers who have, perform or help procure an abortion.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/03/20093911932836487.html

So while some people in other threads deride Muslims for their medieval laws, the Catholic Church continues to perpetuate the 14th century in Brazil.

[BartSimpson]

The Catholic Church has every right in the world to say who can and cannot be a member of their church.

Unlike the Muslims, the Catholics don't behead or flog or dismember people who go against their faith, they simply tell them they've been ousted for not adhering to the faith.

Were the Muslims to do the same I'd defend their right to kick people out who could not voluntarily abide by their rules.

As to the matter of the child getting an abortion my only question is was this her choice or was it decided for her? I personally oppose abortion in cases of rape (for complicated reasons that are not relevant to this topic) but I do abide by the woman's choice in such cases.

So did the little girl make this choice or was the choice made for her?

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

What does "Gods law" say about the lovely stepdad?
The girl was 9! 9!!!

I don't think God would take issue with anyone who put this vermin to death.

[xerxes]

True, but it seems the Catholic Church would juding by the wrods of the Archbishop in Brazil and his superior who is the Archbishop for all of S. America.

[BartSimpson]

xerxes xerxes:

True, but it seems the Catholic Church would juding by the wrods of the Archbishop in Brazil and his superior who is the Archbishop for all of S. America.

They're management. That's their job to interpret dogma and set policy.

You can't expect the Pope to rule on every little thing that goes on in the world.

[Brenda]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

As to the matter of the child getting an abortion my only question is was this her choice or was it decided for her? I personally oppose abortion in cases of rape (for complicated reasons that are not relevant to this topic) but I do abide by the woman's choice in such cases.

So did the little girl make this choice or was the choice made for her?

It was made for her by her mother, who makes the choice of what she is eating tonight too.

[xerxes]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

xerxes xerxes:

True, but it seems the Catholic Church would juding by the wrods of the Archbishop in Brazil and his superior who is the Archbishop for all of S. America.

They're management. That's their job to interpret dogma and set policy.

You can't expect the Pope to rule on every little thing that goes on in the world.

Of course not, he is only human after all. But his lieutenants are taking cues from their boss to make sure the Catholic Church stays dogamtically in the Middle Ages.

[BartSimpson]

xerxes xerxes:

Of course not, he is only human after all. But his lieutenants are taking cues from their boss to make sure the Catholic Church stays dogamtically in the Middle Ages.

I'm not a Catholic, but this has nothing to do with keeping the RCC in the 'middle ages'.

The RCC is unconditionally pro-life and if someone takes issue with that then they are free to find themselves another faith, or none at all.

These people who constantly agitate against the RCC should leave on their own, but failing that, the RCC has every right in the world to ask them to leave and to not call themselves Catholic if they cannot abide by the rules.

Just the same as the NDP has a right to boot MP's who consistently vote Conservative.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

It was made for her by her mother, who makes the choice of what she is eating tonight too.

This is what's one sided here. A twelve year old girl in the US or Canada can get an abortion without their parent's permission, so why can't a young girl be allowed to decide to keep a baby if she wants?

The whole bias here on 'choice' is clearly pro-abortion.

Bear in mind, I'd abide the girl's choice but it should be her choice, shouldn't it?

Or would it likewise be okay if the girl's mom said she had to keep the babies even if she didn't want to?

[Brenda]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Brenda Brenda:

It was made for her by her mother, who makes the choice of what she is eating tonight too.

This is what's one sided here. A twelve year old girl in the US or Canada can get an abortion without their parent's permission, so why can't a young girl be allowed to decide to keep a baby if she wants?

The whole bias here on 'choice' is clearly pro-abortion.

Bear in mind, I'd abide the girl's choice but it should be her choice, shouldn't it?

Or would it likewise be okay if the girl's mom said she had to keep the babies even if she didn't want to?

Without an abortion law, anyone can get an abortion anyway. Your point?

A 9 year old cannot make a choice like that, nor can a 12 year old.

The body of a 9 year old is not build to carry twins or deliver them. Please, Bart, get a grip on this one. It is a parents job to act in the best interest of the child. I would have done the same, and I happen to have a 9 year old girl. No way in the fucking world that she is going to carry twins to term at her age. In 10 years, she can decide for herself. For now, it is my job to decide for her. That is what parents do.

Bias of choice? I am VERY pro-choice, as you know. In this case, the choice of abortion.