[N_Fiddledog]

Until Trudeau acts on border crisis, Canada is basically one giant sanctuary city

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What’ll it take for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to unequivocally state that it’s against the law to illegally enter Canada and that he flat out doesn’t want anyone doing it?

That’s what needs to be done to stem the flood of illegal migrants crossing into Canada daily from the United States. It’s his problem. He started it. He’s uniquely positioned to solve it.

It’s an odd notion, that the sentiments and sayings of a political leader alone are enough to shift an issue. It should be more difficult, more complex. And in some respects it is. But it’s a fact that Trudeau’s hashtag virtue-signalling bears a huge amount of responsibility for the illegal crossings happening at the Quebec border right now.

Back in January he issued his famous #WelcometoCanada tweet that ambiguously implied everyone was welcome to come on in. “Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada took to social media to restate the country’s open-door policy,” none other than The New York Times parlayed to readers around the world in the first sentence of a major story.

This misleading sentiment continued to be spread throughout migrant circles in the intervening months, bringing us to the current boiling point. “Migrants are being misled about Canada’s immigration policy,” a recent CTV News headline blares. “False information sends asylum-seeking Haitians to Canada,” says The Globe & Mail.

Disturbingly, we’ve heard little from the actual government when it comes to correcting the record. And it’s not like they’ve been shy in the past at correcting faulty information making its way onto the public record.

In January, the prime minister’s office went out of its way to ask for a correction from Fox News Channel for one of their tweets that incorrectly identified the background of the suspect in the Quebec mosque shooting. But the PMO never wrote to The New York Times and other outlets to clarify the “open-door policy” error, which has more damaging repercussions.

The bureaucrats are clearly trying. The immigration and refugee department made a Facebook post over the weekend correcting messages circulating through WhatsApp and other online channels that claims the government is encouraging people to come here.

“In fact, the Government of Canada discourages people from entering Canada outside of designated ports of entry as it can be dangerous and is a violation of the law,” the post reads.

It’s been shared a measly 124 times. And immigration minister Ahmed Hussen, who's been near silent on the most pressing issue of his portfolio, did tweet out the link without any added comment.

But do you know whose tweet would garner way more than 124 shares? Justin Trudeau’s. He’s the brand. He’s the megaphone. He’s got the power to set the world straight.

Why doesn’t he do it? What’s the hold up?

Migrants have told reporters they’re making the trek because they’ve been told Trudeau is welcoming them. The truth though, when it comes to this latest crop of arrivals originally from Haiti, is that there’s a good chance they’re just going to be sent back once their claims are processed. Why is Trudeau letting them enter under false pretenses largely of his own creation?

Sure, the Liberals campaigned on being open and progressive. Canadians took them up on that. But nobody, save for a handful of fringe activists, actually wants them to support open borders and sanctuary cities? Right? Please, tell me I’m right. Because, if not, we’ve got much bigger problems afoot.

Although right now it doesn’t matter, because until Trudeau acts, Canada is already one giant sanctuary city.

Do we have any more Olympic Stadiums lying around? Because the first one’s filling up fast.

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/08/08/un ... tuary-city

[N_Fiddledog]

Migrants seek safe passage out from ‘Trump’s country’

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By WILSON RING
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
CHAMPLAIN, N.Y. — They have come from all over the United States, piling out of taxis, pushing strollers and pulling luggage, to the end of a country road in the north woods.

Where the pavement stops, they pick up small children and lead older ones wearing Mickey Mouse backpacks around a “road closed” sign, threading bushes, crossing a ditch, and filing past another sign in French and English that says “No pedestrians.” Then they are arrested.

Seven days a week, 24 hours a day, migrants who came to the U. S. from across the globe — Syria, Congo, Haiti, elsewhere — arrive here where Roxham Road dead-ends so they can walk into Canada, hoping its policies will give them the security they believe the political climate in the United States does not.

“In Trump’s country, they want to put us back to our country,” said Lena Gunja, a 10-year-old from Congo, who until this week had been living in Portland, Maine. She was traveling with her mother, father and younger sister. “So we don’t want that to happen to us, so we want a good life for us. My mother, she wants a good life for us.”

The passage has become so crowded this summer that Canadian police set up a reception center on their side of the border in the Quebec community of Saint-Bernard-de-Lacolle, about 30 miles south of Montreal, or almost 300 miles north of New York City.

It includes tents that have popped up in the past few weeks, where migrants are processed before they are turned over to the Canada Border Services Agency, which handles their applications for refuge.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police are adding electricity and portable toilets.

A Canadian flag stands just inside the first tent, where the Mounties search the immigrants they’ve just arrested and check their travel documents.

They are also offered food.

Then shuttle buses take the processed migrants to their next destination.

Trucks carry their luggage separately.

The Canadian military said Wednesday that about 100 soldiers began arriving to prepare a site for tents to accommodate almost 500 people. The soldiers will also install lighting and heating equipment.

How this spot, not even an official border crossing, became the favored place to cross into Canada is anyone’s guess. But once migrants started going there, word spread on social media.

Under the 2002 Safe Country Agreement between the U. S. and Canada, migrants seeking asylum must apply to the first country they arrive in. If they were to go to a legal port of entry, they would be returned to the U. S. and told to apply there.

But, in a quirk in the application of the law, if migrants arrive in Canada at a location other than a port of entry, such as Roxham Road, they are allowed to request refugee status there.

Many take buses to Plattsburgh, New York, about 20 miles south. Some fly there, and others take Amtrak. Sometimes taxis carry people right up to the border. Others are let off up the road and have to walk, pulling their luggage behind them.

Used bus tickets lit- ter the pavement, their points of origin mostly blurred by rain that fell on nights previous. One read “Jacksonville.”

One Syrian family said they flew into New York City on tourist visas and then went to Plattsburgh, where they took a taxi to the border.

The migrants say they are driven by the perception that the age of Republican President Donald Trump, with his ban on travelers from certain majority-Muslim countries, means the U.S. is no longer the destination of the world’s dispossessed.

Taking its place in their minds is the Canada of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, a member of his country’s Liberal Party.

Most of the people making the crossing now are originally from Haiti. The Trump administration said this year it planned to end in January a special humanitarian program enacted after the 2010 earthquake that gave about 58,000 Haitians permission to stay temporarily in the U.S.

Walking toward the border in a group on Monday, Medyne Milord, 47, originally of Haiti, said she needs work to support her family.

“ If I return to Haiti, the problem will double,” she said. “What I hope is to have a better life in Canada.”

Jean Rigaud Liberal, 38, said he had been in the U.S. for seven months and lived in Florida after he left Haiti. He learned about Roxham Road from Facebook and said he thinks “Canada will be better than America.”

“ We are not comfortable in America,” said Liberal. “We are seeking a better life; we don’t want to go back to Haiti.”

On the New York side, U.S. Border Patrol agents sometimes check to be sure the migrants are in the U.S. legally, but they said they don’t have the resources to do it all the time.

Besides, said Brad Brant, a special operations supervisor for the U.S. Border Patrol, “our mission isn’t to prevent people from leaving.”

Small numbers continue to cross into Canada elsewhere, but the vast majority take Roxham Road. U.S. officials said they began to notice last fall, around the time of the U.S. presidential election, that more people were crossing there.

Francine Dupuis, the head of a Quebec government funded program that helps asylum seekers, said her organization estimates 1,174 people overall crossed into Quebec last month, compared with 180 in July 2016. U.S. and Canadian officials estimated that on Sunday alone, about 400 people crossed the border at Roxham Road.

“All they have to do is cross the border,” Dupuis said. “We can’t control it. They come in by the hundreds, and it seems to be increasing every day.”

Canada said last week it planned to house some migrants in Montreal’s Olympic Stadium. I t could hold thousands, but current plans call for only 450.

In most cases, once the migrants are in Canada they are released and can live freely while their claims for refugee status are processed, which can take years. Meanwhile, they are eligible for public assistance.

Brenda Shanahan, the Liberal Party member of Parliament who represents the area, visited the site Monday. She is proud of her country for being willing to take in the dispossessed, she said, but there is no guarantee they will be able to stay in Canada.

“ It’s not a free ticket for refugee status, not at all,” Shanahan said.

Opposition Conservative lawmaker Michelle Rempel said the Trudeau government lacks a plan to deal with the illegal crossings, even though a summer spike had been anticipated.

“All that we have heard is that we are monitoring the situation,” she said. “The government needs to come up with a plan right away to deal with this.”

It will further backlog a system in which some refugees are already waiting 11 years for hearings, Rempel said. Canadians will question the integrity of the immigration system i f the “ dangerous trend” of illegal crossings continues, she said.

Trudeau himself recently said his country has border checkpoints and controls that need to be respected.

“We have an open compassionate country, but we have a strong system that we follow,” he said. “ Protecting Canadian confidence in the integrity of our system allows us to continue to be open, and that’s exactly what we need to continue to do.”

Inancieu Merilien, originally of Haiti, moved to the U. S. in 2000 but crossed into Canada late last month. U.S. authorities, he said, are trying to scare Haitians by refusing to guarantee they’ll be able to stay.

“ There’s a big difference here. They welcomed us very well,” he said after leaving the Olympic Stadium t o begin looking for a home in Montreal’s large Haitian community. “They’re going to give us housing in apartments. I hope everything goes well.”

https://www.rutlandherald.com/articles/ ... s-country/

[N_Fiddledog]

Somalis with criminal records coming to Canada from US, intelligence report warns

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As the United States has stepped up deportations of Somalis with criminal records, some have crossed illegally into Canada and made refugee claims under false identities, according to an intelligence report obtained by Global News.

The fear of deportation by U.S. immigration authorities appears to have driven some Somalis with criminal histories to travel north and illicitly cross the border to claim asylum, said the Canada Border Services Agency Intelligence Brief.

More at link

[BartSimpson]

Thanks for taking them off our hands! You're the best, Canada!

[Robair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanks for taking them off our hands! You're the best, Canada!

Like we had a choice.

"We" (Canada) didn't do this. "You" (USA) did.

[martin14]

Robair Robair:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanks for taking them off our hands! You're the best, Canada!

Like we had a choice.

"We" (Canada) didn't do this. "You" (USA) did.

Bull.
We could have easily changed a few regulations, and the
illegals would understand they don't have a chance.
Can you explain to me why they aren't going to Mexico ?

Instead, we are inviting them in.

Building a city with floor heating for them.
Free transportation for them.
Free housing.
Free food.
Free medical.
Free money.
Soon to be free school.

Free for them anyway, You are going to pay for it.

[N_Fiddledog]

Robair Robair:

"We" (Canada) didn't do this. "You" (USA) did.

What are the evil Americans supposed to have done that caused this crisis for Canada?

Enforced their immigration laws?

Because if that's what you're claiming, thanks for the laugh. If that's not it, what is it?

[Robair]

martin14 martin14:

Robair Robair:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanks for taking them off our hands! You're the best, Canada!

Like we had a choice.

"We" (Canada) didn't do this. "You" (USA) did.

Bull.
We could have easily changed a few regulations, and the
illegals would understand they don't have a chance.

I'm all ears.

martin14 martin14:

Can you explain to me why they aren't going to Mexico ?

Instead, we are inviting them in.

Building a city with floor heating for them.
Free transportation for them.
Free housing.
Free food.
Free medical.
Free money.
Soon to be free school.

Free for them anyway, You are going to pay for it.

A lot cheaper than 9,000km of trump style border wall. It's called the world's largest UNDEFENDED border because it's undefended. And it's really long.

If we build a camp, invite them in and arrest them, at least then we know where they all are.

I'd sure like to hear everybody else's plans for dealing with them. So far Fiddle has put forth nothing.

[martin14]

Robair Robair:

I'm all ears.

Change the illegal entry and being able to apply for asylum.
They know if they apply at the border posts, denial is automatic.

Can you explain to me why they aren't going to Mexico ?

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A lot cheaper than 9,000km of trump style border wall. It's called the world's largest UNDEFENDED border because it's undefended. And it's really long.
If we build a camp, invite them in and arrest them, at least then we know where they all are.

Arrest them, then turn them over to Montreal for free housing, food, welfare, school,
etc. etc. Yeah, some penalty.

I'd sure like to hear everybody else's plans for dealing with them. So far Fiddle has put forth nothing.[/quote]

Change the government to one that respects the rule of law,
and stop rewarding illegal activity with lots of free gibs.

[N_Fiddledog]

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So far Fiddle has put forth nothing.

Incorrect. I told you how to stop the current crisis. Your refusal to listen is not the same thing as me not telling you.

It's pretty much what Martin just told you, but here it is again. Here's how you stop the current crisis:

First though, there's this - Trudeau's invitation to refugees followed by a sudden appearance of and a refusal to deal with a UN treaty loophole is what caused the problem. Specifically I'm speaking of the loophole allowing anybody wishing to skirt immigration laws to jump the border and lodge a false claim of asylum.

The first thing a for real government would do if it actually wanted to stop the recent surge of illegals massing into Canada would be to plug that loophole, then enforce existing immigration law.

[herbie]

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If we build a camp, invite them in and arrest them, at least then we know where they all are.

Asides from the "inviting them in" BULLSHIT, that's exactly what's happening.
So don your Shakespearian costume and keep moaning about "Who shall payyyy????" the usual argument of cranky old assholes.

[N_Fiddledog]

[BRAH]

Thanks Trump.

[Winnipegger]

Let me take a wild guess.

Canada used to have 1/10th the population of the US. Canada has more land area than the US, but much lower population. The US now has the world's largest economy, due to that large population combined with an industrialized economy. In their first century (roughly) they made a major expansion effort, settled the "west" and developed productive farming. Those farms produced food for their economy, but populations also grew a lot. Large families, but also accepting refugees from Europe. The poem on the Statute of Liberty says "Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." Actually, the US was not the first country to do this. When ancient Rome was first founded, they accepted refugees from all around southern Italy. Today Canada's population is 36,591,241; quarterly population estimate, as of April 1st of this year. American population is 325,645,396 as of August 13. That means we now have 1/8.9 the population of the US. We've grown faster than the US. That isn't due to large families, it's due to immigration. Now they want to give us some of their population.

You realize some politicians will be concerned with their voter base of the same ethnic group, voters who support these refugees. Harper Conservatives tried hard to gain support of immigrants, and succeeded for some time. Liberals see themselves as supporting ethnic diversity, so they want immigrants to support them. So Liberals want to support new immigrants to gain voter support. And if these immigrants are Liberal in philosophy, they can counter the Conservative immigrants who came in under Harper's watch. And these refugees will be beholden to Trudeau Liberals.

Then there's the very simple answer. New taxpayers. Ensure these guys all get a job, and start paying taxes. Politicians want more tax revenue that they can spend. Of course that depends on them getting a job.

Don't refugees from Haiti speak French? More French speakers for Quebec, an area that tends to vote Liberal. Even if these refugees don't get a job right away, they'll need everything. Customers for Quebec's economy. The trick now is to get service organizations such as churches or charities to pay for them, not tax dollars. If tax dollars subsidize them, then they'll be a drain. But if someone other than government pays, then that stimulates the economy. And government can tax all that stuff.

Didn't you notice the Harper brought back the Baby Bonus? And Trudeau didn't get rid of it, he expanded it. UUCB now provides more money, and it's not taxable. He made millionaires exempt, so they don't get it. That was an attempt to control cost. That was initially created as a bribe to get parents to have more children. We need more children. We especially need more people of working age to pay for healthcare for baby-boomers. The US has a large generation "Y", but every other country in the world has a demographic problem. This refugee crisis means the US is giving us many of their people of working age, and children.

Again my criticism is Liberals promised their plan for UUCB would cost $17.9 billion less per year than the Conservative plan. However, in their first budget they made the income cut-off so high that 90% of Canadians get it. That didn't save as much as the promised. I still want them to drop the cut-off so the plan saves as much money as they promised.

But my point is they want to spend money to increase the population. Why would they complain when the US wants to give us some of their population?

[Winnipegger]

I wrote that on August 12, but it wouldn't post. We're back.