[herbie]

There's the rub. The Liberals are pro-immigration. The Conservatives are too. And the NDP. Yet the group against who are so small no one will represent them screams as if they're the voice of Mr. Average.
Where I live you can drive for hours without seeing a settlement, when you do they're smaller and growing ever smaller as no one will move there, no one will set up shop, no one will take over farms, ranches and shops when people retire.
We don't need just highly skilled immigrants, we need ones who'll work and seat and build and take over the butcher shop or bakery so it's still there as an option. Ones that know a living is a living and won't avoid doing so because they won't make the best ROI on everything.
And who gives a shit if the butcher/baker has bad English. Neither did my grandfather who ended up funding restaurant and construction startups and owning a whole square block in Vancouver.
Hell I wish when I closed my business there was someone to take over who'd be happy to raise his family providing the same services. All the out of town competitors wanted to offer a nickel on the dollar and leave just an 800 number for local customers to call. All the kids I trained ran off seeking fortunes in the big city. The ones that did are using their whole damn fortune they found just to raise their family there....

[Caelon]

herbie herbie:

There's the rub. The Liberals are pro-immigration. The Conservatives are too. And the NDP. Yet the group against who are so small no one will represent them screams as if they're the voice of Mr. Average.
Where I live you can drive for hours without seeing a settlement, when you do they're smaller and growing ever smaller as no one will move there, no one will set up shop, no one will take over farms, ranches and shops when people retire.
We don't need just highly skilled immigrants, we need ones who'll work and seat and build and take over the butcher shop or bakery so it's still there as an option. Ones that know a living is a living and won't avoid doing so because they won't make the best ROI on everything.
And who gives a shit if the butcher/baker has bad English. Neither did my grandfather who ended up funding restaurant and construction startups and owning a whole square block in Vancouver.
Hell I wish when I closed my business there was someone to take over who'd be happy to raise his family providing the same services. All the out of town competitors wanted to offer a nickel on the dollar and leave just an 800 number for local customers to call. All the kids I trained ran off seeking fortunes in the big city. The ones that did are using their whole damn fortune they found just to raise their family there....

Great concept and a lot of rural people would love to have their town become vibrant again. The trouble with legislating new immigrants to a small centre is the condition is time limited. Once the requirement is met they leave. We saw it when a lot of South African doctors immigrated and had to practice in a small town. A few years later you would be hard pressed to find any south African doctor in a small town. Big city incomes were just more attractive.

[herbie]

You got them too? In 30 years the clinic here's been 90% South African doctors. The ones that actually immigrated and left all went somewhere warmer but still pretty remote. Like Kamloops or the Island. One came back, said Kelowna was ugly cement city and Okanagan properties too expensive for even a doctor!

[Freakinoldguy]

herbie herbie:

There's the rub. The Liberals are pro-immigration. The Conservatives are too. And the NDP. Yet the group against who are so small no one will represent them screams as if they're the voice of Mr. Average.
Where I live you can drive for hours without seeing a settlement, when you do they're smaller and growing ever smaller as no one will move there, no one will set up shop, no one will take over farms, ranches and shops when people retire.
We don't need just highly skilled immigrants, we need ones who'll work and seat and build and take over the butcher shop or bakery so it's still there as an option. Ones that know a living is a living and won't avoid doing so because they won't make the best ROI on everything.
And who gives a shit if the butcher/baker has bad English. Neither did my grandfather who ended up funding restaurant and construction startups and owning a whole square block in Vancouver.
Hell I wish when I closed my business there was someone to take over who'd be happy to raise his family providing the same services. All the out of town competitors wanted to offer a nickel on the dollar and leave just an 800 number for local customers to call. All the kids I trained ran off seeking fortunes in the big city. The ones that did are using their whole damn fortune they found just to raise their family there....

It wouldn't hurt if we got a few more of them who would be willing to leave the ghetto's in the major population centers and move to where they're needed. As it is now alot of them come to Canada and immediately gravitate to where their countrymen are creating a whole assortment of other issues just so they can keep themselves in their comfort zone.

If immigration Canada used their old methods of dealing with immigrants and put more of these people out into the general population of Canada rather than allowing them to recreate their own countries in major cities I'm pretty sure we'd see alot less of the issue's were seeing now. They, like the myriad of immigrants before them could then keep their language, religion and customs while integrating into our society.

It also wouldn't hurt if Immigration Canada quit lying to the highly skilled ones about coming to Canada and getting a great job. There's a whole forum dedicated to people who have immigrated to Canada on the promise of good jobs in their chosen fields and then, when they got here they discovered that for one reason or another they couldn't find work. Prime example is the CMA who has steadfastly refused to allow fully trained doctors, nurses and technicians to work in their chosen fields by using such excuses as language, skill set and qualification all despite Immigration Canada's promise that they wouldn't have a problem.

The border jumpers are a whole other story that I won't get into here.

[N_Fiddledog]

Dedicated team to decide asylum claims from Quebec border crossers

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OTTAWA — Twenty officials from the Immigration and Refugee Board have been assigned to focus exclusively on deciding asylum claims lodged by people crossing illegally into Quebec.

The dedicated team will start hearing applications from those who arrived earlier this summer, but the decision is being driven by the exceptionally high volume of people arriving in recent days.

“The reason this is important to do now is that this trend seems to be growing not decreasing,” Shereen Benzvy Miller, the head of the refugee protection division at the IRB told The Canadian Press on Friday.

“And projections that we’re given don’t look like it is going to slow down any time soon.”

Between Aug. 1 and Aug. 7 alone, 1,798 people showed up at an unofficial crossing from the U.S. into Quebec, the IRB said.

By comparison — in all of 2015, only 2,920 claims were filed in Quebec.

The surge in arrivals has prompted extraordinary measures at the border, including the establishment of a de-facto refugee camp as security officials must hold people until their initial screens are completed.

Based on that, people arriving right now may not even be judged eligible to make a claim for months, Benzvy Miller said.

“We wanted to step up,” she said.

The IRB had already been dealing with an increased number of claims since before the illegal crossings started this year and the current rate of arrivals has created a backlog of 1,000 cases a month.

That was on top of cases that were already languishing in the system for years thanks to a change in the way claims were handled in 2012; the board had already redirected some members to handling just those legacy cases.

The 20-member group now tasked with this issue is a pilot project and Benzvy Miller insisted Friday it will have no impact on asylum applications being filed by others.

The point of assigning members solely to the border crossers applications is in part because many of the claimants are believed to come from the same place.

“That’s a familiarity that helps in adjudication to figure out the risk and the need for protection for people coming in,” she said.

Haitian nationals make up the bulk of those who’ve crossed in recent days; statistics from the IRB show that in 2016, only 50 per cent of claims from Haitian nationals were accepted.

What’s sent many of them over the border into Canada was a change in U.S. policy that could see Haitians end up being deported back to Haiti.

Canada lifted its own stay on deportations to Haiti last year.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2017/08/11/ded ... r-crossers

[N_Fiddledog]

Canada sees 'unsustainable' spike in asylum seekers at U.S. border

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TORONTO/MONTREAL (Reuters) - The number of asylum seekers who illegally crossed the U.S. border into Canada more than tripled last month, according to Canadian government data released on Thursday

More at link

http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews ... 9&&rpc=401

[N_Fiddledog]

About 4,000 migrants to receive welfare cheques

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The Quebec government is organizing the distribution of welfare cheques to asylum seekers who have crossed the border from the United States into Canada, according to a spokesperson for the Quebec employment minister.

As of next week, about 4,000 cheques will be distributed over a three-day period beginning Aug. 30 at the Palais des congrès. According to Simon Laboissonnière, a spokesperson for Employment Minister Francois Blais, it was easier to distribute all the cheques in one place, adding that the process is expected to go smoothly.

The Quebec government expects at least $2.5 million in cheques to be handed out. The amount received by individual asylum seekers will be based on their personal and family status...

[N_Fiddledog]

Trudeau’s border deflections are just getting silly now

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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau went out of his way on Wednesday to avoid ever having to utter the phrase “illegal” in regard to the, uh, illegal border crossings happening daily.

And I mean really out of his way. This all happened at a press conference the PM was giving following an intergovernmental meeting in Montreal on how they’ll handle the illegal border crisis. Not that he used the words “illegal” or “crisis”, of course.

Which made it all a comedy of errors. Reporters used the word “illegal” in their questions and Trudeau just shot back with “irregular” in his answers.

He even tripped himself up at one point when he was trying to think up the opposite of “irregular”.

“There are no advantages to arriving irregularly to arriving, uh, regularly,” Trudeau said. By that point it was getting silly. The opposite of an “irregular” crossing is clearly a legal crossing, which means the irregular one is an illegal one...

[BRAH]

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Keep voting for Trudeau.

[N_Fiddledog]

$1:

If asylum-seeking is working, what does failure look like?

Our prime minister went to great pains this past week, with the best serious-looking face he could muster, to spin us the line that the refugee system is working.

He must be wearing blinkers.

There is a tent city at the Quebec-U.S. border set up by the military. Frost warnings are just around the corner. Then winter gears up.

Upwards of 10,000 queue-jumpers seeking refugee status have already waltzed into Canada via unofficial border points.

Sieves are less porous.

The Big Owe — Montreal’s Olympic Stadium, erected at a huge loss in 1976, hence the nickname — has become a hostel for hundreds of asylum seekers who would not be given the time of day if they had tried to enter Canada at legitimate border entry points.

Nav Canada’s convention centre in Cornwall, Ont., never meant to be a motel let alone a refugee camp, has been seconded to accommodate an overflow of the intentionally displaced.

This is what Justin Trudeau calls “working?

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/08/26/if ... -look-like

[martin14]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Upwards of 10,000 queue-jumpers seeking refugee status have already waltzed into Canada via unofficial border points.

Oh it's a couple.
Oh it's two dozen.
Oh it's a hundred, what's the harm ?
It's a thousand, oh well keep them in Montreal.
Two thousand, well it's good the Big Owe is being used.

And now, 10,000.. and counting more and more.

How much is this going to cost us ?

[N_Fiddledog]

Haven't heard a lot about this:

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There is a tent city at the Quebec-U.S. border set up by the military. Frost warnings are just around the corner. Then winter gears up.

[Saskanna]

It is a fallacy to think anyone is "keeping track of these border jumpers"! Once the welfare runs out no one is going to know where they are or what they are doing. Until too late.

[BRAH]

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Welcome to Edmonton.

[BartSimpson]

Canada is clearly populated by RACISTS!!!! and NAZIS!!!!! if you don't want to embrace the poor undocumented immigrants who come to your country just looking for a better life on your dime.

Ironically, you people would have less of a problem if the US stopped them on our southern border before they manage to find their way north.

But, of course, that means admitting that Trump is right.