[OnTheIce]

Regina Regina:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Kids playing house league, aren't on their way to the pro's...unless we're talking 5-7 year old kids. If you're over 8 years old and not playing rep, chances of you going further with your career are super low.

Actually you are flat out wrong. Rosters are littered with the names of kids who lit up the leagues till they turned 12 or 13. My nephew didn't play AAA till he was in Bantam, was drafted 52 overall in the OHL draft and played there. Played one year of Junior A as a 16 year old before he went too. His brother only played Midget AAA and also played Junior A when he was 16. The only guy I played with in PeeWee who played in the NHL was nothing but average till he turned 13 or 14 as well. The others were never seen nor heard of again.

It`s a rarity.

Hence my comment that your changes are super low.

[Regina]

Anyone who has an 8 year old pegged for anything other than being able to eat the food in front of him is delusional or a moron.

[OnTheIce]

Regina Regina:

You need to read McCown's Law: The 100 Greatest Hockey Arguments: Chapter #11, if that what you think.

BTW all 4 of the Staal brothers didn't play hockey (other than pickup hockey with their dad and his friends) in the summer. They cut grass on Henry's farm and didn't hit the gym or work out in the summer, other than going for a jog or two before training camp. Totally changed now but not when they were young.

I'd rather shit the bed than read anything by Bob.

In regards to the Stall brothers, although they didn't play in the summer, they had ice 24/7 in the winter which gave them a great advantage.

[Regina]

I'd go along with no body contact till maybe 12 but that's about it. What about football.........maybe we should go with flag football till their 19 too.

[Regina]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

I'd rather shit the bed than read anything by Bob.

In regards to the Stall brothers, although they didn't play in the summer, they had ice 24/7 in the winter which gave them a great advantage.

I'll save you the $15 and the pain. (Cut and Paste from some review)
Here's an example I enjoyed from Argument #11: Why kids shouldn't be pushed into summer hockey in order to make the NHL. McCown and Naylor use a study of Ontario minor hockey players born in 1975 to highlight just how implausible it is that Little Johnny will ever play pro hockey, summer workouts or not:
Of those 30,000 [Ontario players], just 232 were eventually drafted by an OHL team in their mid-teens, the first major cutoff for players hoping to stream towards the NHL. Less than half of those players, 105, actually played in an OHL game. Another 42 played in the top tier of U.S. college, which is another viable route to the NHL.

Overall, just 47 wound up with NHL contracts after being drafted in 1993 or 1994, or signing later as a free agent.
Ultimately, the sum total of players with more than one NHL season ends up being just 15, and only six had played 400 NHL games nine years later. Jason Allison and Todd Bertuzzi were the only names of note among the 30,000.

Summer hockey or not, McCown argues, the chances your kid makes the NHL are akin to buying a lottery ticket.

So what happened to the rest of the kids and relatives that also played on that famous rink?

[OnTheIce]

Regina Regina:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

I'd rather shit the bed than read anything by Bob.

In regards to the Stall brothers, although they didn't play in the summer, they had ice 24/7 in the winter which gave them a great advantage.

I'll save you the $15 and the pain. (Cut and Paste from some review)
Here's an example I enjoyed from Argument #11: Why kids shouldn't be pushed into summer hockey in order to make the NHL. McCown and Naylor use a study of Ontario minor hockey players born in 1975 to highlight just how implausible it is that Little Johnny will ever play pro hockey, summer workouts or not:
Of those 30,000 [Ontario players], just 232 were eventually drafted by an OHL team in their mid-teens, the first major cutoff for players hoping to stream towards the NHL. Less than half of those players, 105, actually played in an OHL game. Another 42 played in the top tier of U.S. college, which is another viable route to the NHL.

Overall, just 47 wound up with NHL contracts after being drafted in 1993 or 1994, or signing later as a free agent.
Ultimately, the sum total of players with more than one NHL season ends up being just 15, and only six had played 400 NHL games nine years later. Jason Allison and Todd Bertuzzi were the only names of note among the 30,000.

Summer hockey or not, McCown argues, the chances your kid makes the NHL are akin to buying a lottery ticket.

So what happened to the rest of the kids and relatives that also played on that famous rink?

Why are we discussing summer hockey? I sure wasn't.

[peck420]

Hmm, makes you wonder how we ever survived the past 130 odd years of hockey?

Interestingly enough, myself and almost every player I personally know have agreed that the biggest, most vicious hits we ever received were during shinny.

No refs, barely any equipment...if my coaches hadn't taught me how to protect myself...well who knows.

The vast majority of our shinny was played on outdoor, boarded rinks. Edmonton has tons of them.

[OnTheIce]

peck420 peck420:

Hmm, makes you wonder how we ever survived the past 130 odd years of hockey?

By covering up injuries for the sake of "taking it like a man" and brushing off those who get hurt as being "soft".

[Dragon-Dancer]

There is no point to contact in hockey, ban it altogether. The game is far more entertaining when it's a game of speed and skill as opposed to a game based around huge walls of flesh who exist only to injure the opposing team. Leave that for football where it belongs.

[Brenda]

Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:

There is no point to contact in hockey, ban it altogether. The game is far more entertaining when it's a game of speed and skill as opposed to a game based around huge walls of flesh who exist only to injure the opposing team. Leave that for football where it belongs.

I couldn't agree with you more. I do not see the necessity either. It's not allowed in basketball or soccer either. Why in hockey?

But then, I am not a hockey fan.

[Regina]

It all boils down to genetics (physically and mentally) and opportunity. If you haven't got lots of the first........the other doesn't matter. No amount of "extra" ice time whether it be rep or house league will ever help enough to get little Johnny to "The Show." They either have it or they don't but the parent will always feel their child is being held back. Anyone who still has the dream of their kid playing pro or any higher level while developing in a no body contact situation is only fooling themselves. Ain't gonna to happen.........ever. Couldn't imagine a scout bothering to go watch unless he was looking for a goalie.

[Regina]

Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:

There is no point to contact in hockey, ban it altogether. The game is far more entertaining when it's a game of speed and skill as opposed to a game based around huge walls of flesh who exist only to injure the opposing team. Leave that for football where it belongs.

You've never played have you.

[Regina]

Brenda Brenda:

Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:

There is no point to contact in hockey, ban it altogether. The game is far more entertaining when it's a game of speed and skill as opposed to a game based around huge walls of flesh who exist only to injure the opposing team. Leave that for football where it belongs.

I couldn't agree with you more. I do not see the necessity either. It's not allowed in basketball or soccer either. Why in hockey?

But then, I am not a hockey fan.

You're not allowed to throw or kick a puck in the net either. Different sport.....different rules.

[Brenda]

Regina Regina:

Brenda Brenda:

Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:

There is no point to contact in hockey, ban it altogether. The game is far more entertaining when it's a game of speed and skill as opposed to a game based around huge walls of flesh who exist only to injure the opposing team. Leave that for football where it belongs.

I couldn't agree with you more. I do not see the necessity either. It's not allowed in basketball or soccer either. Why in hockey?

But then, I am not a hockey fan.

You're not allowed to throw or kick a puck in the net either. Different sport.....different rules.

Ah ok. And that is the end of it?
I never seen a basketball player or soccer player with full gear either. Maybe those rules are good rules.

I'm sorry, but when a so called "sport" needs full protective gear, the fun is gone as far as I am concerned.
ESPECIALLY for kids.

[2Cdo]

Brenda Brenda:

I'm sorry, but when a so called "sport" needs full protective gear, the fun is gone as far as I am concerned.
ESPECIALLY for kids.

Like you said, you're not a fan. I played hockey, football and boxed as a kid. ALL require protective gear, and all were extremely fun.