[HyperionTheEvil]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

Read the thread header...."religous persecution". And again for the record i dont care how many wives he has, it's about the children which the FDLS has a record of abusing.

Read the article. The charges are about how many wives he has, not about their respective ages. Child abuse is not at all the issue here.

And the lord said remove thy head from your ass

CTV article


http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... TVNewsAt11

in part

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Oppal said that in 2005, when he was appointed attorney general he was concerned about polygamy in Bountiful "because of the exploitation of women and children."

In June 2008, Oppal appointed a special prosecutor to investigate allegations of abuse at Bountiful.

and of all things and NDP type actually gets it

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In April 2008, Vancouver-area NDP Dawn Black wrote to Federal Justice Minister Rob Nicholson saying that the federal government needs to abandon its hands-off approach to Bountiful.

"As an advocate of women's and children's rights, I strongly oppose the polygamy practiced in Bountiful, and I share the concerns of many Canadians about the treatment of young girls there," Black wrote.

This is the problem with religion, they cloak sexual abuse in the mantle of religion. All of a sudden religious types sring up to defend a co-religionist saying it's not about abuse? People need to take the blinders off about religion. Relgion can say anything these days and pretty much get away with it under the Charter.

[BartSimpson]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

And the lord said remove thy head from your ass

Indeed, you should.

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Blackmore was charged with one count of practicing polygamy

He was not charged with child abuse, as I said. There's NOTHING in this about child abuse other than what you're reading into this.

I don't dispute that child abuse has taken place with these people, but this case is limited to the topic of polygamy.

[HyperionTheEvil]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

And the lord said remove thy head from your ass

Indeed, you should.

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Blackmore was charged with one count of practicing polygamy

He was not charged with child abuse, as I said. There's NOTHING in this about child abuse other than what you're reading into this.

I don't dispute that child abuse has taken place with these people, but this case is limited to the topic of polygamy.

I suggest you reread the article, it was about sexual explotation......

How odd that relgious types are defedinding a religion which exploits women. Actually not that odd at all. You admit Child Abuse has taken place and yet make no mention that the guy is claming religion as a defence, for marrying multiple women. Whats more important you, sexual explotation, polygamy, or defending religious thought.


It seems that latter

[BartSimpson]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

And the lord said remove thy head from your ass

Indeed, you should.

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Blackmore was charged with one count of practicing polygamy

He was not charged with child abuse, as I said. There's NOTHING in this about child abuse other than what you're reading into this.

I don't dispute that child abuse has taken place with these people, but this case is limited to the topic of polygamy.

I suggest you reread the article, it was about sexual explotation......

How odd that relgious types are defedinding a religion which exploits women. Actually not that odd at all. You admit Child Abuse has taken place and yet make no mention that the guy is claming religion as a defence, for marrying multiple women. Whats more important you, sexual explotation, polygamy, or defending religious thought.


It seems that latter

Religious thought is not relevant to me in this case as there are plenty of non-Mormon polygamists in British Columbia for whom this case will have a major impact. Since the case is NOT about child abuse it will be about whether or not adult women who have not been declared legally incompetent will be allowed to make their own lifestyle choices.

What I see here is the hypocrisy that Canada has said that defining marriage in the traditional sense is outdated when the topic is gays and lesbians BUT this kind of marriage is okay to discriminate against.

Prosecute these people for child abuse when it happens, but prosecuting for polygamy?

Would they do the same if five gay men lived together communally?

Of course not.

And are you going to support prosecuting Muslims for polygamy and child brides, too? Or are you just going after these people?

[BartSimpson]

Some info on polygamy in Canada:

http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?cont ... 285_106285

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Many immigrants hail from Muslim cultures where their polygamous unions were legally recognized, the report's authors also note. "Why then should a legally sanctioned marital relationship(albeit legally sanctioned in another country)be subject to criminal penalty?" As for those seeking plural marriages in Canada, it asks, "in light of the permissive sexual mores in Canada why single out that particular activity for criminal punishment?"

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/feb/08021207.html

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Polygamy has Arrived: Britain and Canada Pay Welfare Benefits to Polygamist Immigrants
"several hundred" men in the Greater Toronto Area receiving welfare payments for their multiple wives.

[HyperionTheEvil]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

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Religious thought is not relevant to me in this case as there are plenty of non-Mormon polygamists in British Columbia for whom this case will have a major impact. Since the case is NOT about child abuse it will be about whether or not adult women who have not been declared legally incompetent will be allowed to make their own lifestyle choices.

What I see here is the hypocrisy that Canada has said that defining marriage in the traditional sense is outdated when the topic is gays and lesbians BUT this kind of marriage is okay to discriminate against.

Prosecute these people for child abuse when it happens, but prosecuting for polygamy?

Would they do the same if five gay men lived together communally?

Of course not.

And are you going to support prosecuting Muslims for polygamy and child brides, too? Or are you just going after these people?

As i said im all for withdrawing charter rights protection for religion, all relgions from the charter. Question is what's more importnat to you religion or child abuse. As i said, you have a choice, religous protection or child abuse

you openly admit child abuse has taken place but nevertheless go on defending them, makes one wonder where your morals land in terms of religion. I'm not the one saying they have a defence, you are

[BartSimpson]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

As i said im all for withdrawing charter rights protection for religion, all relgions from the charter. Question is what's more importnat to you religion or child abuse. As i said, you have a choice, religous protection or child abuse

you openly admit child abuse has taken place but nevertheless go on defending them, makes one wonder where your morals land in terms of religion. I'm not the one saying they have a defence, you are

Dude, you are completely missing where I'm saying that there are non-religious polygamists in BC! Ban religion if you want, you'll still have practicing secular polygamists in BC.

That said, the topic is polygamy. And if Canada restricts polygamy for the weirdo Mormons then you'll have to do it to the atheists and the Muslims, too.

[Brenda]

Isn't that already the case? I thought it was illegal to marry more than one person, and that you have to show a proof of divorce before you can remarry.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

Isn't that already the case? I thought it was illegal to marry more than one person, and that you have to show a proof of divorce before you can remarry.

Except that Canada allows Muslims to immigrate along with their wives and those marriages are recognized and welfare gets paid to these people.

So if it's okay for the Muslims why isn't it okay for anyone else?

[Brenda]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Brenda Brenda:

Isn't that already the case? I thought it was illegal to marry more than one person, and that you have to show a proof of divorce before you can remarry.

Except that Canada allows Muslims to immigrate along with their wives and those marriages are recognized and welfare gets paid to these people.

So if it's okay for the Muslims why isn't it okay for anyone else?

Canada might allow them to bring them in, but marrying them while they are here?

I think everyone should be treated equally, I don't give a damn who marries 18 wifes or not, I want 18 husbands
Seriously, I don't think the Crown has legal grounds, UNLESS (but that is not the issue now) the wifes are younger than legal age. Then he, along with the one marrying them, should be prosecuted...

Welfare paid!! WTF!!!

Anyone willing to marry me?

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

Canada might allow them to bring them in, but marrying them while they are here?

I think everyone should be treated equally,

So why should immigrants enjoy special rights that Canadians cannot enjoy?

Brenda Brenda:

I don't give a damn who marries 18 wifes or not, I want 18 husbands
Seriously, I don't think the Crown has legal grounds, UNLESS (but that is not the issue now) the wifes are younger than legal age. Then he, along with the one marrying them, should be prosecuted...

Welfare paid!! WTF!!!

Anyone willing to marry me?

LOL! I think Mrs. Bart might take exception to the idea (unless you're any good at laundry!)

[Brenda]

Well, that is exactly what I meant, immigrants shouldn't. Its either all residents, or none.

And I am VERY good at laundry

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

Well, that is exactly what they meant, immigrants shouldn't. Its either all residents, or none.

Good, I concur with that.

Brenda Brenda:

And I am VERY good at laundry

I'll advise Mrs. Bart.

[PluggyRug]

One is enough.

[BartSimpson]

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Columni ... 1-sun.html

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When polygamy finally goes on trial, up for debate will not only be the limits of freedom of religion but the kind of values Canada should uphold.

It may not be politically correct, but polygamy is a dramatic example of the dangers of cultural relativism -- that all cultural activities are equally deserving of respect.

Some may object that I'm lumping religion in with culture. In my mind, however, there is no real distinction. Religion is largely the collective cultural expression of our quest for the meaning of humanity.

Over the centuries, that pursuit has taken the shape of a wide and often bizarre assortment of rituals. When a new Pope is chosen, for instance, white smoke wafts up the chimney of the Sistine Chapel.

Some orthodox Jews swing chickens in the air before Yom Kippur to symbolically transfer their sins to the animals. Every year, certain Shiite Muslims beat themselves bloody with chains and blades to mourn the death of the grandson of Muhammad in the seventh century.

And in India, there's a Hindu temple to a rat goddess where 20,000 rats are venerated and offered food by devotees.

As long as there have been questions about the universe, a deity and our purpose on Earth, there have been beliefs and ceremonies designed to instill order and meaning in the chaos of our lives.

To the leaders of the polygamous commune in Bountiful, B.C., it appears the more wives you have the closer you are to God.

Winston Blackmore, 52, one Bountiful leader, has as many as 20 wives, it is alleged. His rival in the community, James Oler, 44, appears to be a real slacker in comparison. Police say he only has two wives.

"Fundamentalist Mormons want to practise the fundamentals of their faith," Blackmore told reporters after he and Oler were charged with polygamy last week.

Women can't have a harem of husbands, of course. God apparently doesn't want women to exploit men. He just wants men to exploit women.

And the Bountiful brainwashing has been so successful that the women don't even realize they're being exploited.

"If we didn't like it, we wouldn't be here," a 28-year-old Bountiful mother of five who shares her husband with another woman told Sun Media last week. "It's as normal as a family can be."

Her comments reflect the devastating damage that the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS) and its polygamous lifestyle is having on Bountiful girls.

Females raised to believe that sharing their partners with multiple sister-wives is normal have been psychologically stunted by a sex-driven patriarchy. They just don't know it.

Canada does not permit female genital mutilation -- a barbaric cultural/quasi-religious practice.

Nor do we condone so-called honour killings of women deemed to have breached the norms of sexual behaviour. Such killings, tragically, are slowly creeping into western societies.

We have to draw a line in the sand. If a practice is harmful and at odds with Canada's values of equality and human rights, it doesn't deserve the freedom-of-religion escape hatch.

Last week in the Kurdish city of Erbil in Iraq, women's groups protested against a law permitting polygamy.

In Canada, shockingly, certain female academics (who should know better) seem to think polygamy should be legalized.

God help us. Where does Canada stand? With the victims or the exploiters?