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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:37 am
Robair Robair: Sapio Sapio: Robair Robair: Same for me, but on principle I can not support new taxes.  It would reduce the tax burdon. You no longer have to try and enforce the prohibition. How so, it's not like there's going to be a big layoff of police officers or judges?
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:38 am
RUEZ RUEZ: You just did it. You just judged "most drinkers". You just called them losers. Most drinkers end up being losers....after 4 drinks people are usually a pain in the ass and I didnt paint them all as one poster painted Anyone who smokes pot is a loser...Never heard of this kind of argument before have you? But hey all us potheads are losers anyway so what do you care what we type...Maybe you should have a drink and relax a little RUEZ 
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Lemmy
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:40 am
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:42 am
TattoodGirl TattoodGirl: RUEZ RUEZ: You just did it. You just judged "most drinkers". You just called them losers. Most drinkers end up being losers....after 4 drinks people are usually a pain in the ass and I didnt paint them all as one poster painted Anyone who smokes pot is a loser...Never heard of this kind of argument before have you? But hey all us potheads are losers anyway so what do you care what we type...Maybe you should have a drink and relax a little RUEZ  Drinking or smoking pot is not my idea of relaxing.
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:47 am
RUEZ RUEZ: TattoodGirl TattoodGirl: RUEZ RUEZ: You just did it. You just judged "most drinkers". You just called them losers. Most drinkers end up being losers....after 4 drinks people are usually a pain in the ass and I didnt paint them all as one poster painted Anyone who smokes pot is a loser...Never heard of this kind of argument before have you? But hey all us potheads are losers anyway so what do you care what we type...Maybe you should have a drink and relax a little RUEZ  Drinking or smoking pot is not my idea of relaxing. It was a joke.... Mine either...mine is the beach and that is where I am going before work....folks around here are uptight and need to step away from the puter 
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:22 am
Robair Robair: Sapio Sapio: Robair Robair: Same for me, but on principle I can not support new taxes.  It would reduce the tax burdon. You no longer have to try and enforce the prohibition. Yes, but it would reduce it more if it was not taxed at all.
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Lemmy
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:43 am
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:43 am
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck: romanP romanP: So you think that taxes are more invasive than being raided by police? Very interesting. Please explain more. if they switch from raiding grow ops to taxing the consumer, then it is absolutely more invasive. Thanks for restating what I already concluded.  Can you explain your logic? How are taxes on something you're not going to buy anyway, because it's "for losers", more invasive than paying tax on your property for organising police units to raid grow ops? Let me put this in another perspective. Taxing weed as it is sold legally to consumers will raise government revenues and give them more funds to do things that need to be done. Paying taxes on your property, some of which are diverted to police departments, some of which will be used to train police for drug raids, is a money losing operation to tackle a problem in a way that will never solve the problem, thus you continue to pay more property tax for the rest of your life.
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:59 pm
Lemmy Lemmy: Sapio Sapio: Yes, but it would reduce it more if it was not taxed at all. True, but excise taxes are the best form of tax. Excise taxes don't affect non-users of the good taxed, which has a lot of "tax equity" built in. Well, there are no good taxes.
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Wally_Sconce 
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:29 pm
Lemmy Lemmy: And, furthermore, the consumer would sure pay less, per ounce, under a government excise tax scheme than we currently pay to buy the good illegally. I would rather pay $100 per ounce with half of that going to the government than $150 per ounce going all to the Hell's Angels. I do not believe that government dope will be cheaper. but that is just my opinion. you have your opinion, too.
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:51 pm
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck: I do not believe that government dope will be cheaper. but that is just my opinion. you have your opinion, too. 1. It wouldn't be government dope. It would be produced by private enterprise legally. 2. Most of the cost of current dope is danger pay. When I say most I mean 80% plus. That goes away once it's legal. It would be much cheaper. Which is why current dealers do not want to see it legalized.
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:19 pm
romanP romanP: Sapio Sapio: Robair Robair: generate income from taxing the stuff. There's the problem, tax, I could never support it if its taxed. It would just become an change for the government to take our money and get more involved in people lives. So you think that taxes are more invasive than being raided by police? Very interesting. Please explain more. Two words. Straw man. His argument is not which is more invasive.
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Lemmy
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:24 pm
Sapio Sapio: Well, there are no good taxes. Sure there are. Would you rather all Canadians got billed equally for road repairs, drivers and non-drivers alike? You'd prefer a bill for road repairs than pay gasoline tax?
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:27 pm
Sapio Sapio: Lemmy Lemmy: Sapio Sapio: Yes, but it would reduce it more if it was not taxed at all. True, but excise taxes are the best form of tax. Excise taxes don't affect non-users of the good taxed, which has a lot of "tax equity" built in. Well, there are no good taxes. So, taxes that pay for schools, hospitals, police to raid people's houses for a plant, roads that you drive your car on... those are all no good?
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:30 pm
CanadianJeff CanadianJeff: romanP romanP: Sapio Sapio: There's the problem, tax, I could never support it if its taxed. It would just become an change for the government to take our money and get more involved in people lives. So you think that taxes are more invasive than being raided by police? Very interesting. Please explain more. Two words. Straw man. His argument is not which is more invasive. So, when he said "take our money and get more involved in people's lives", he was not talking about government intervention? Was he talkking about flying monkeys instead?
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