[Thanos]

Why do we need to defend ourselves against the Russians anyway when the entirety of today's "conservatism" keeps saying that the Russians are our best friends and always have been? I mean, could MAGA be lying to us about this?

[shockedcanadian]

I will never forget Canada sending ships to assist America in the first Desert Storm in the 1990's and the Americans and British told Canada to turn around and go home, a Korean War era ship wasn't going to be useful.

What a slap in the face to our servicemen and women who risk their lives. If we can't provide them the best equipment, than Canada should enact conscription and have every person, rich or poor, politician or layman, to risk their own asses and that of their children in the event of a war. You might find they quickly agree some investment in military technology is necessary.

[BartSimpson]

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

I will never forget Canada sending ships to assist America in the first Desert Storm i the 1990's and the Americans and British told Canada to turn around and go home, a Korean War era ship wasn't going to be useful.

I personally think it would have been quaint to have some wooden-hulled ships in the Coalition fleet.

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

What a slap in the face to our servicemen and women who risk their lives. If we can't provide them the best equipment, than Canada should enact conscription and have every person, rich or poor, politician or layman, to risk their own asses and that of their children in the event of a war. You might find they quickly agree some investment in military technology is necessary.

Or simply stop having a military. Why bother with the expense of an ineffective charade?

[Freakinoldguy]

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

I will never forget Canada sending ships to assist America in the first Desert Storm in the 1990's and the Americans and British told Canada to turn around and go home, a Korean War era ship wasn't going to be useful.

And while I agree with your sentiments I find your statement hard to believe. First our warships weren't Korean War vintage and secondly we sent a task force to the gulf for the war. Something that would never have happened if the Americans didn't want us there.

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Naval operations[edit]
Before the war began on January 16, 1991, Canadian naval forces patrolled the central Persian Gulf. When hostilities commenced, Captain Duncan "Dusty" Miller, Commander of the Canadian Naval Task Group, became the multinational co-ordinator for a large naval combat logistics area established in the southern Persian Gulf.

Two Canadian destroyers, HMCS Terra Nova and Athabaskan escorted the United States hospital ships, USNS Comfort and Mercy, the latter with CF medical staff on board. HMCS Protecteur, an auxiliary oil replenishment ship, serviced all nations involved in naval operations within the Gulf. Five Sikorsky CH-124 Sea King helicopters based at CFB Shearwater and CFB Patricia's Bay were also attached to the Naval Task Group, performing reconnaissance, mine search and destroy, air-to-ship naval interdiction, utility and command-and-liaison tasks. Another Canadian destroyer, HMCS Huron arrived in theatre after hostilities ceased and was the first allied ship to visit Kuwait.

Does that sound like a Navy task force that was asked to go home by the Americans?

So unless you can come up with a reliable source for your accusation I'd suggest you stop with the lower deck rumours that make our Navy look bad because in case you hadn't noticed we already have politicians for that.

[Freakinoldguy]

Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:

I've never understood the desire to spend literally 10's of billions of dollars (or even more) on new military equipment that we just don't use. We need something to honor our NATO and UN commitments, and used will do just fine for that. But at the end of the day, we're far too small to ever support a real deterrent type military so we rely on the UN, NATO and international laws to protect us.

What I really don't get is the same people who tend to complain we aren't spending enough billions on the military are the ones who complain when a few million dollars get spent on a social program they don't like.

Social programs like:

Omar Khadr



Sponsored Social Media

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau ... -1.3607104


17 Million to protect socks

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/9b8v ... deau-vgtrn

Public Polling

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/trude ... t-8-years/

Hundreds of millions more on refugees than claimed

http://torontosun.com/2016/11/25/the-tr ... 98cc1d71f7

75 million in ad's touting their budget

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion ... e23824771/


Do you want me to go on? That's just a few of the "social programs" our dear leader chose to spend money on while, telling veterans that there's no money for them and the serving members that they'll have to wait for decades to get new equipment that they were promised years ago.

Seems to me it's you and not us that's doing the bitching and that you're the one who's terrified that money currently being spent frivolously by this regime will be transferred to cover our international obligations.

Now what I am afraid of is they'll defund health care, education, infrastructure and other things we all need and use daily as citizens, in order to buy some flashy military toys we'll never actually use.

Could you show me when that has ever happened in Canada? So,en given there's never been an instance of that happening, I wouldn't worry to much about not being able to see the doctor for your cold or that your children will suddenly be denied an education and have to go back to work in the salt mines. And as for infrastructure, well I've got bad news for you. Just like Veterans, the military, seniors and countless other Canadians there is no real money for it because it's much more entertaining to give taxpayers dollars away to foreign countries and organizations than fix our own.

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But, don't fret to much about your social programs because if you don't feel your getting full value for your money in Canada all you have to do is move to some 3rd world shithole and the money will flow like water from a tap. But, remember that for every dollar we don't spend on our own defense like we promised, we lose even more credibility and a chance to make positive changes in the world because if you won't defend yourself then, you don't deserve a place at the table and can't be counted on in times of trouble to have your allies backs.

One problem we do have is that our procurement program is run by politicians and bureaucrats who all want to be in charge. You say that it would cost to much to give the military what it was promised and needs. Well, if our leaders had a brain in their head we'd have had a continuous military procurement program that would have allowed us to replace everything we owned bit by bit rather than in one lump sum which always comes as a shock to the general public. Hell, when you think about it that's how we fund social programs except universal prescription coverage which, will likely never happen because of the sticker shock it'd have to the general public.

[bootlegga]

Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:

I've never understood the desire to spend literally 10's of billions of dollars (or even more) on new military equipment that we just don't use. We need something to honor our NATO and UN commitments, and used will do just fine for that. But at the end of the day, we're far too small to ever support a real deterrent type military so we rely on the UN, NATO and international laws to protect us.

What I really don't get is the same people who tend to complain we aren't spending enough billions on the military are the ones who complain when a few million dollars get spent on a social program they don't like.

Apparently the notion of national sovereignty is lost on you, so I'll just leave it at that.

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

I will never forget Canada sending ships to assist America in the first Desert Storm in the 1990's and the Americans and British told Canada to turn around and go home, a Korean War era ship wasn't going to be useful.

And while I agree with your sentiments I find your statement hard to believe. First our warships weren't Korean War vintage and secondly we sent a task force to the gulf for the war. Something that would never have happened if the Americans didn't want us there.

As always, Shockie is full of shit.

We sent the HMCS Athabaskan. It was newly refitted with modern weaponry. Here is a picture of it leaving Halifax Harbour, going to the Gulf War I.

If I can ever get it transferred from VHS, I have a video of the Atha B from onboard it while it was on maneuvers in the Gulf during that war.

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[CharlesAnthony]

Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:

I've never understood the desire to spend literally 10's of billions of dollars (or even more) on new military equipment that we just don't use.

It is not that complicated.
Buy yourself some psychopath-industrial-complex stocks and then you will understand.