[ShepherdsDog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

$1:

As you allude to, Europeans classed humans into 3 'races' from the 3 sons of Noah.

I did?? Don't think I mentioned anywhere that mythical figures were the basis of race, I said that scientists speculated fair skin and red hair were genetic traits inherited from neanderthals. European and Western Asian DNA is 1 - 4 % neanderthal, while Africans and East Asians have pretty well no trace. I don't ascribe to the idea of one 'race/ethnic group' being superior to another. There are only superior individuals, and they can be found everywhereanywhere.

I didn't mean to imply you thought there were any differences, just your statement "So perhaps genetics does play a tiny part in determining 'racial' differences." led me to think you were referring to how Eurpoeans divided humans up by their looks.

And genetics can also tell a person's blood type or hair colour via DNA tests, so 'ethnicity' I think is also a passe notion too. Any group of beings will eventually settle on similar traits if left isolated for a few generations. Doesn't mean they are any different than the rest of us.

Differences now are just linguistic and cultural, and that too is disappearing with globalization. I enjoy using genetics with Mormons....the whole Meso American Indians being descended from Bronze Age Hebrew settlers.

[Zipperfish]

Differences can certainly be genetic, not just cultural. This is particualrly evident in races that don't interbreed wiht others, which, of course, is a rarity these days.

It's been demonstrated in several studies that Asians score higher than whites who score higher than blacks on IQ tests. There have not been any envirnetnal or cultural factors that have been found to adequately explain this, though many have gone to rather Byzantine lengths to try to explain it (see the wikipedia article on IQ and race, for example).

The races aren't defined, however. What makes someone "black"? The melanin content in his/her skin?

[DrCaleb]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

But we would't call a Poodle a different 'race' than a Labrador, because they have different features would we?

Yes! In the dog world, we call them breeds. A breed is a specific group of animals. just like race is to humans.

Why do we call one a Poodle and one a Labrador? Shouldn't we just call them all "dogs" and ignore their different features?

'Breeds' in the dog terminology refers to a group that has been selectively bred for a specific trait. The more correct term for Humans would be based on ethnic or country basis, but we do not selectively breed humans for a specific trait which is what the term 'race' was always about. Differentiating 'us' from 'them'.

Referring to a dog as a 'Poodle' is no different than referring to a person as 'Malaysian' or 'Cree'. There are no 'breeds' of Human.

[ShepherdsDog]

The Australian aborigines were isolated for an extremely long time (about 40 000 years)from the rest of humanity.

[ShepherdsDog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

But we would't call a Poodle a different 'race' than a Labrador, because they have different features would we?

Yes! In the dog world, we call them breeds. A breed is a specific group of animals. just like race is to humans.

Why do we call one a Poodle and one a Labrador? Shouldn't we just call them all "dogs" and ignore their different features?

'Breeds' in the dog terminology refers to a group that has been selectively bred for a specific trait. The more correct term for Humans would be based on ethnic or country basis, but we do not selectively breed humans for a specific trait which is what the term 'race' was always about. Differentiating 'us' from 'them'.

Referring to a dog as a 'Poodle' is no different than referring to a person as 'Malaysian' or 'Cree'. There are no 'breeds' of Human.

Mating a toy breed with a mastiff would be problematic.

[OnTheIce]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Differences now are just linguistic and cultural, and that too is disappearing with globalization. I enjoy using genetics with Mormons....the whole Meso American Indians being descended from Bronze Age Hebrew settlers.

As Zip said above, differences go well beyond cultural and linguistics with people of difference races.

[DrCaleb]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

['Breeds' in the dog terminology refers to a group that has been selectively bred for a specific trait. The more correct term for Humans would be based on ethnic or country basis, but we do not selectively breed humans for a specific trait which is what the term 'race' was always about. Differentiating 'us' from 'them'.

Referring to a dog as a 'Poodle' is no different than referring to a person as 'Malaysian' or 'Cree'. There are no 'breeds' of Human.

Mating a toy breed with a mastiff would be problematic.

Actually, my sister had her dog DNA tested. (animal rescue). canadian-culture-f3/cka-pets-t88201-135.html#p1884665

It's mostly Daschund and Alaskan Malamute. Doesn't matter who was on top, that must not have been easy.

[Zipperfish]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Differences now are just linguistic and cultural, and that too is disappearing with globalization. I enjoy using genetics with Mormons....the whole Meso American Indians being descended from Bronze Age Hebrew settlers.

As Zip said above, differences go well beyond cultural and linguistics with people of difference races.

yeah, we just don't like to admit it. We go to great lengths to eliminate stereotypes, but recent research in psychology shows that we predominately judge based on stereotypes, probably because (if you subscribe to the Theory of Evolution) stereotypes are often wrong, but they do give you better-than-chance edge, adn therefore we have retained that trait.

[Jabberwalker]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

['Breeds' in the dog terminology refers to a group that has been selectively bred for a specific trait. The more correct term for Humans would be based on ethnic or country basis, but we do not selectively breed humans for a specific trait which is what the term 'race' was always about. Differentiating 'us' from 'them'.

Referring to a dog as a 'Poodle' is no different than referring to a person as 'Malaysian' or 'Cree'. There are no 'breeds' of Human.

Mating a toy breed with a mastiff would be problematic.

Actually, my sister had her dog DNA tested. (animal rescue). canadian-culture-f3/cka-pets-t88201-135.html#p1884665

It's mostly Daschund and Alaskan Malamute. Doesn't matter who was on top, that must not have been easy.

Anything looks good after too many drinks.

[DrCaleb]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Mating a toy breed with a mastiff would be problematic.

Actually, my sister had her dog DNA tested. (animal rescue). canadian-culture-f3/cka-pets-t88201-135.html#p1884665

It's mostly Daschund and Alaskan Malamute. Doesn't matter who was on top, that must not have been easy.

Anything looks good after too many drinks.

Screw you, my sister is quite pretty.

[Jabberwalker]

Actually, my sister had her dog DNA tested. (animal rescue). canadian-culture-f3/cka-pets-t88201-135.html#p1884665

It's mostly Daschund and Alaskan Malamute. Doesn't matter who was on top, that must not have been easy.[/quote]

Anything looks good after too many drinks.[/quote]

Screw you, my sister is quite pretty.[/quote]



I was talking about the bitch.


Oops! There I go again!

[DrCaleb]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Actually, my sister had her dog DNA tested. (animal rescue). canadian-culture-f3/cka-pets-t88201-135.html#p1884665

It's mostly Daschund and Alaskan Malamute. Doesn't matter who was on top, that must not have been easy.

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Anything looks good after too many drinks.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Screw you, my sister is quite pretty.

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

I was talking about the bitch.


Oops! There I go again!

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

You either have no heart or you're a total a**hole. Or both.

I'm going to vote 'both'.

[Jabberwalker]

It's mostly Daschund and Alaskan Malamute. Doesn't matter who was on top, that must not have been easy.[/quote]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Anything looks good after too many drinks.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Screw you, my sister is quite pretty.

[/i]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

I was talking about the bitch.


Oops! There I go again!

[/quote]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

You either have no heart or you're a total a**hole. Or both.

I'm going to vote 'both'.[/quote]


I was talking about the Malamute and the Daschund! Gees! You really DO get confused!

This is not the first time, either.

Read back and tell me what you think I was saying, now!

Brother!!

.... a chip on your shoulder and you're looking for trouble where there is none, all of the time!

It was the "Screw you, my sister's quite pretty" that was the non sequeter in that exchange.

[OnTheIce]

Jabber, seriously dude...learn how to use the quote function....it ain't that hard!

[Jabberwalker]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Jabber, seriously dude...learn how to use the quote function....it ain't that hard!

It cuts me out after a certain number of "back-and-forths". Any suggestions?