[MeganC]

This woman is like someone selling Chevrolets who thinks Fords are better and she says this to all her customers.

[ShepherdsDog]

It's more like a car dealer selling gold fish.

[BeaverFever]

stratos stratos:

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And there are probably Christians who would say You're not Christian. Mennonites, Amish, Catholics, Quakers, etc.

Point is, religion is what people choose to make of it for themselves, it's not something that somebody else assigns to you.

So your saying that people who do not believe in Jesus as their one and only savior are Christians because they say they are? If so then you and they have a funny definition of what being a Christian is.

No it's not my job to decide who is and isn't Christian. But hey if they're ever hiring for that position maybe I'll submit my resume so long as it offers decent benefits (and I mean benefits in this life, not the hereafter).

There is a reason that there are hundreds of different Christian denominations and it's precisely because people decided for themselves what is and isn't Chrstian. There's no such thing as a litmus test to prove who is and who isn't.

Most Christians in the West believe that at least SOME of the stories in the bible is allegory. Some like this lady believe it is all allegory but still no less important than if it were literal truth.

[BeaverFever]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

stratos stratos:

For the simple fact that a Christian is a person who believes God sent his only son, Jesus, to die on the Cross for our sins and that on the 3rd day arose from the grave.

The Nicene Creed has summarized what it is to be a Christian for centuries...

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I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Sure but the council of Nicea was:

1) 300 years after the alleged death of Christ
2) Convened and controlled by Roman Emperor Constantine
3) if you're Protestant then you already violate the creed based on the last paragraph alone.

[BeaverFever]

stratos stratos:

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I have no comment/opinion as to which one is right or is within their rights. However, I don't think this whole story has to be cast into the tired old 'good guy-bad guy' narrative.

Good and honest people can strongly disagree with each other without one having to be declared a villain....even when one doesn't believe in a literal God in the year 2015.

I am in total agreement with you here. Reading the article I did not feel that this was being done. I know you do so could you point out where you got the impression/opinion that she is being vilified? I'm just not getting that vibe from the article.

That line of discussion was in response to FOG's original post

[BeaverFever]

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[BeaverFever]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

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Because, if she had any ethics she`d stop taking money under false pretenses.

In what way are there "false pretenses" when she's completely open about it an in fact is a best-selling author and public speaker on this very topic?

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For example. If you were a doctor....

Ohhhhhh...religious leaders, they may be comparable to a lot of things but they sure aren't doctors! Pretty much the exact opposite end of the spectrum I'd say.

An artist is probably a better comparison. It's like when your favourite musician goes in a new musical direction. You'll either continue to buy their albums or you won't. This lady's fans seem to want to keep buying her albums. Her record label however wants to drop her because they feel she's no longer a good fit for their target market demographics.

I have no comment/opinion as to which one is right or is within their rights. However, I don't think this whole story has to be cast into the tired old 'good guy-bad guy' narrative.

Good and honest people can strongly disagree with each other without one having to be declared a villain....even when one doesn't believe in a literal God in the year 2015.

Nobody declared her a villain she's just unethical for trying to maintain her position as a clergyman while attempting to subvert her employers religious views. My guess is that if you were working for someone and lost 100 of 150 clients I'm pretty sure a firing would be the reward for you stellar work, so why should she get a pass?

I don't know if it's unethical. She acknowledges that she's pushing the boundaries but that is the MO for this denomination is it not? Again I'm not saying the church doesn't have the right to draw the line. I just don't think there's anyone trying to be unethical.

[BeaverFever]

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Nobody declared her a villain she's just unethical for trying to maintain her position as a clergyman while attempting to subvert her employers religious views. My guess is that if you were working for someone and lost 100 of 150 clients I'm pretty sure a firing would be the reward for you stellar work, so why should she get a pass?

I don't know if it's unethical. She acknowledges that she's pushing the boundaries but that is the MO for this denomination is it not? Again I'm not saying the church doesn't have the right to draw the line. I just don't think there's anyone trying to be unethical.

[BartSimpson]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

It's more like a car dealer selling gold fish.

Amen!

(Pun intended!)

[BartSimpson]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

3) if you're Protestant then you already violate the creed based on the last paragraph alone.

Nope. The Nicene Creed uses 'catholic' which means 'universal' as opposed to Catholic which refers to the RCC.