[BeaverFever]

Ok first off a basic fact check: the Nazis didn’t take guns, in fact they slightly relaxed gun laws.

Everything you say is pathetic deflection to shit that happens in third world dictatorships and it’s telling that this is the bar you have to measure yourself by


Well congratulations, you won, America’s regular mass-shooter violence makes it no better than war-torn Sri Lanka. Go give yourself a gold medal for Worlds Worst Debater Club

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Ok first off a basic fact check: the Nazis didn’t take guns, in fact they slightly relaxed gun laws.

What you're calling a "fact check" is just the other side of an argument. I've heard both sides. Your side seems to depend on posturing, unnecessary wordiness, BS prog words like "problematic" and appeals to authority.

The side that makes better use of facts and makes more sense to me is this one:

National Review: How the Nazis Used Gun Control

[N_Fiddledog]

And what you're calling "deflection" I'm going to assume is directed at the key point that history tells us even if you or yours could grab all the guns in America (which you can't) the cure would be worse than the disease - so to speak.

[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Ok first off a basic fact check: the Nazis didn’t take guns, in fact they slightly relaxed gun laws.

What you're calling a "fact check" is just the other side of an argument. I've heard both sides. Your side seems to depend on posturing, unnecessary wordiness, BS prog words like "problematic" and appeals to authority.

The side that makes better use of facts and makes more sense to me is this one:

National Review: How the Nazis Used Gun Control

Your article is pretty weak, it only talks about what the Nazis did to Jews and citizens of occupied countries, conveniently glossing over the fact that they liberalized gun laws for German citizens.

[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

And what you're calling "deflection" I'm going to assume is directed at the key point that history tells us even if you or yours could grab all the guns in America (which you can't) the cure would be worse than the disease - so to speak.

Well if ALL the guns in America were magically confiscated and destroyed then of course gun crime would go down because there would be no guns. But you’re right America is too far gone it would be impossible to get s hold of all those guns once they’re out there. This is exactly why the sane western countries can’t experiment with US style gun laws it’s a one-way trip to Shithole Country status

[raydan]

I still believe that it should be illegal in the USA to not carry a gun. That would solve all gun problems. Why would anybody try shooting you when you have a gun... it's like starting a fist fight when you know the other guy has fists too... you just don't do it.

I'd go out of business selling bricks though, why throw bricks when you could just start shooting.

[BeaverFever]

Right that’s why gang members and cops never get shot, because nobody ever shoots anyone who owns a gun.

[raydan]

The 3 Rs in grade school will have to changed to the 4 Rs...
...reading, writing, rifles and arithmetic.

[BeaverFever]

raydan raydan:

The 3 Rs in grade school will have to changed to the 4 Rs...
...reading, writing, rifles and arithmetic.

In the US the 4 Rs are Rifle, Revolver, Reload, Run for your life

[MeganC]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Another day, another mass shooting in ‘Murka, folks.

Remember regular mass killings are simply the “price of freedom”. And it’s the victims fault for not being armed and shooting back, Or something.

At least you got to be happy about it right?

[Fighter]

RIP....

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Ok first off a basic fact check: the Nazis didn’t take guns, in fact they slightly relaxed gun laws.

What you're calling a "fact check" is just the other side of an argument. I've heard both sides. Your side seems to depend on posturing, unnecessary wordiness, BS prog words like "problematic" and appeals to authority.

The side that makes better use of facts and makes more sense to me is this one:

National Review: How the Nazis Used Gun Control

Your article is pretty weak, it only talks about what the Nazis did to Jews and citizens of occupied countries, conveniently glossing over the fact that they liberalized gun laws for German citizens.

The guy wrote a book on the subject. Gun Control in the Third Reich: Disarming the Jews and "Enemies of the State"

The article you read is a brief digested listing of keypoints. What you're saying isn't there is. It's just not focused on. It's listed.

Try this one. They go into more detail.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/c ... s-gun-grab

Then there's this from Hitler later in his career on the general principal of disarming a population you plan to subjugate:

$1:

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations, Second Edition (1973), Pg. 425-426. Translated by Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens. Introduced and with a new preface by H. R. Trevor-Roper. The original German papers were known as Bormann-Vermerke.

But even if you could argue away gun-grabbing decades before evolving until the day after Kristallnacht there are a litany of historical examples other than just the Nazis pointing at gun-grabbing followed eventually or immediately by authoritarian rule.

[N_Fiddledog]

Come to think of it, even if you could argue away that one it's just one of multiple arguments against American Gun-grabbing.

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

But you’re right America is too far gone it would be impossible to get s hold of all those guns once they’re out there. This is exactly why the sane western countries can’t experiment with US style gun laws it’s a one-way trip to Shithole Country status

America is or will soon be the last vestige of a free society. Any hope the rest of us have of retaining it as an example of what's possible depends on their ability to defend their second amendment from the "Progressive's" insanity machine.

[xerxes]