[Freakinoldguy]

Fighter Fighter:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

The law did take it's course but you've got to remember that western countries separated the church and state centuries ago which means, that to the west any blasphemy laws that include a penalty of death for what we would consider free speech or at the very worst a misdemeanor is also considered outrageous and more than a little barbaric.

So, as long as the less than progressive part of your gov't, judicial system and religious community continues to remained mired in the 12th century when it comes to crime and punishment you're country is going to leave itself open to criticism for it's actions and rightly so.

We have made far more progress in our 70 years since independence than others and I am sure we'll be fine in coming decades.

I certainly hope so but to do that you'll have to reign in the people who think murdering an innocent woman fitting punishment for what was proven to be an unfounded and personally motivated allegation

[stratos]

Fighter Fighter:

Two guys sitting in North American continent getting worried about Pakistani Christians?

I don't get this....What's the problem?

Didn't see them caring about their own citizens in that way?

I'm not the one who stated that the Christians are happy in Pakistan. You did. When presented with prof contrary you instantly deflect and try to point at us saying we don't care about Christians in our own country. Prove it show links or posts where I have done such a thing.

"You don't get this"' but you sure will speak up on any thread dealing with Islam even if it's not about Pakistan. You will cry about how Muslims are misunderstood, how we should judge people, not by groups. Yet you clearly do that when the topic is about India.

So what you are really saying is You want to be allowed to voice your opinion and links to refute anyone here, make definitive statements about people here in the forum. Yet don't want the same treatment in return for any of your statements.

[Fighter]

stratos stratos:

I'm not the one who stated that the Christians are happy in Pakistan. You did. When presented with prof contrary you instantly deflect and try to point at us saying we don't care about Christians in our own country. Prove it show links or posts where I have done such a thing.

"You don't get this"' but you sure will speak up on any thread dealing with Islam even if it's not about Pakistan. You will cry about how Muslims are misunderstood, how we should judge people, not by groups. Yet you clearly do that when the topic is about India.

So what you are really saying is You want to be allowed to voice your opinion and links to refute anyone here, make definitive statements about people here in the forum. Yet don't want the same treatment in return for any of your statements.

hmm....Leave Indians out of this. A whole separate topic. Ask them to stop killing Kashmiris and I will not comment on them.

Rest of your point is right....I take my that comment back.

But what you provided me was not a proof but bullshit...

More attacks occurred on Muslims/mosques and more Muslims got killed compared to Christians or Hindus....At that time we were fighting a fucking war - war against Taliban

There was blow back then....Don't make it sound like that Christians were prime and only target.

Christians go their churches like normal routine and they don't have to fear some random local jerk will shoot or blow up their church like happens in US or west regards to Mosques/Muslims.

Yes, you don't care or look into your collar what your own religious nuts on streets and in power are doing ...

Forget about Muslims, you can't even treat your fellow Black Christians in your country as equal and justly...

Pakistani Christians are loyal to Pakistan...They may have issues but not of that scale that they are in some sort of danger as a community. They have protection of system.

[Fighter]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Fighter Fighter:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

The law did take it's course but you've got to remember that western countries separated the church and state centuries ago which means, that to the west any blasphemy laws that include a penalty of death for what we would consider free speech or at the very worst a misdemeanor is also considered outrageous and more than a little barbaric.

So, as long as the less than progressive part of your gov't, judicial system and religious community continues to remained mired in the 12th century when it comes to crime and punishment you're country is going to leave itself open to criticism for it's actions and rightly so.

We have made far more progress in our 70 years since independence than others and I am sure we'll be fine in coming decades.

I certainly hope so but to do that you'll have to reign in the people who think murdering an innocent woman fitting punishment for what was proven to be an unfounded and personally motivated allegation

Khadim Rizvi among TLP leaders detained in countrywide crackdown

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1853200/1-tlp-chief-khadim-rizvi-arrested-lahore-raid/

[Fighter]

llama66 llama66:

Absolutely. Once you figure out whether you want to be a theocracy or a secular nation you'll progress hopefully even further.

You'll see Pakistan will rise and shine and will outclass all in the region.

We will do this under leadership of Khan...Yes, we will do it.

[llama66]

Fighter Fighter:

llama66 llama66:

Absolutely. Once you figure out whether you want to be a theocracy or a secular nation you'll progress hopefully even further.

You'll see Pakistan will rise and shine and will outclass all in the region.

We will do this under leadership of Khan...Yes, we will do it.

As I said, you need to chose a path first. Path of Secularism or the Path of Theocracy, then your future will appear before you.

[Fighter]

llama66 llama66:

Fighter Fighter:

llama66 llama66:

Absolutely. Once you figure out whether you want to be a theocracy or a secular nation you'll progress hopefully even further.

You'll see Pakistan will rise and shine and will outclass all in the region.

We will do this under leadership of Khan...Yes, we will do it.

As I said, you need to chose a path first. Path of Secularism or the Path of Theocracy, then your future will appear before you.

I think Khan has already something in his mind...

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/359868-pti-regime-to-follow-the-swedish-governance-model

https://www.brecorder.com/2019/05/01/493945/pm-reiterates-to-make-pakistan-an-islamic-welfare-state-on-model-of-state-of-madina/

[Tricks]

Fighter Fighter:

https://www.brecorder.com/2019/05/01/493945/pm-reiterates-to-make-pakistan-an-islamic-welfare-state-on-model-of-state-of-madina/

So a theocracy.

Enjoy living under tyranny and oppression.

[stratos]

$1:

hmm....Leave Indians out of this. A whole separate topic. Ask them to stop killing Kashmiris and I will not comment on them.

Ask the Muslims to stop killing Christians then and we will stop posting and commenting about it.

$1:

But what you provided me was not a proof but bullshit...

How so is it Bullshit it was in response to your comment about Christians being Happy in Pakistan. The links dealt directly with your comment showing how Christians are not happy in Pakistan.


As for your the rest of your OMG LOOK AT HOW BAD YOU ARE stop looking at what is happening here and and and ....... Follow you own advice and stick to the topic at hand and stop deflecting. This thread is exactly about Pakistan and how they are dealing with Christians. You might want to stick to commenting on that and stop deflecting.

[stratos]

$1:

As I said, you need to chose a path first. Path of Secularism or the Path of Theocracy, then your future will appear before you.

At least Pakistan is going about it in, as far as I can see, more civilized way then Turkey. Turkey seems to erupt every few years (election time) and goes into a semi controlled Chaos. Pakistan seems to sway back and forth but it shown in the ballot box not riots or near riots in the streets.

[Sunnyways]

Fighter Fighter:

llama66 llama66:

Absolutely. Once you figure out whether you want to be a theocracy or a secular nation you'll progress hopefully even further.

You'll see Pakistan will rise and shine and will outclass all in the region.

We will do this under leadership of Khan...Yes, we will do it.

Pakistan is in danger of falling behind Bangladesh on many measures at the moment.

[martin14]

Islamist claims he has arrived in Canada to give devout Christian Asia Bibi a 'terrible death' after she was released from death row in Pakistan where she spent eight years locked up on false blasphemy charges for 'insulting the Prophet Mohammed'

Bibi arrived in Canada last week after being freed from death row in Pakistan
In 2010, she was falsely accused of offending the Prophet Mohammed during a conversation with Muslim women
She appealed the conviction and was released last year but the decision stoked protests from the Taliban
Justin Trudeau welcomed her to Canada last week and has also given her daughters refuge
In the video, the unidentified Islamist claimed he has arrived in Canada to 'stop her' from making more 'blasphemous' comments
It is unclear who he is or if he is acting on official orders from any terror group
Authorities in Canada have not yet commented on the footage

[Fighter]

Tricks Tricks:

Fighter Fighter:

https://www.brecorder.com/2019/05/01/493945/pm-reiterates-to-make-pakistan-an-islamic-welfare-state-on-model-of-state-of-madina/

So a theocracy.

Enjoy living under tyranny and oppression.

Talking about British occupation of South Asia?

You need to study Khan more before having an opinion on him.

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

Fighter Fighter:

llama66 llama66:

Absolutely. Once you figure out whether you want to be a theocracy or a secular nation you'll progress hopefully even further.

You'll see Pakistan will rise and shine and will outclass all in the region.

We will do this under leadership of Khan...Yes, we will do it.

Pakistan is in danger of falling behind Bangladesh on many measures at the moment.

Lot of factors can be attributed to it....One of them may be because they are always chilling far away from place where fuckin WAR ON TERROR was going on since 9/11....

Whole decade was lost for us. All attention and resources. No wonder Pakistanis are now fed up with war in neighborhood......

[llama66]

Then be proactive and fucking evict the problem. You want us fucking gone, clear the shit out of your house and back yard. No one, American, Canadian, British or other really want to be there anyways. But as long as there are pieces of shit that think flying a plane into a building, blowing up a church or blowing themselves up in the name of an imaginary deity is proper, we shall remain-- if only to prevent that rot from spreading to our homes and back yards.

[Fighter]

llama66 llama66:

Then be proactive and fucking evict the problem. You want us fucking gone, clear the shit out of your house and back yard. No one, American, Canadian, British or other really want to be there anyways. But as long as there are pieces of shit that think flying a plane into a building, blowing up a church or blowing themselves up in the name of an imaginary deity is proper, we shall remain-- if only to prevent that rot from spreading to our homes and back yards.

hmm...Not related to topic of thread so no point of debating further.